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Pink Power Ranger takes down white supremacist dating sites
- ZebusJesus 9mo agoThis is how it is done, the hacker ‘Martha Root’ dressed as the pink power ranger and hacked white supremacist dating sites, stole their data, took down their sites and then proceeded to DOX members by making a map with members locations and information around the world.
- ThrowawayR2 9mo agoYou do understand that if their side does the same, you won't have any kind of moral high ground to stand on because you have already condoned stooping to their level?
- immibis 9mo ago[flagged]
- Terr_ 9mo ago> won't have any kind of moral high ground You're exaggerating. Yes, it gives up the "doxxing not OK", but there will often remain a large moral difference between "Alice was accurately doxxed as KKK/Nazi" versus "Bob was accurately doxxed as $X." There are very few $X which are both worse, plausible, and "the other side." We also need to ask who is going to care or be convinced. Orwell's The Party does not care about ethical or moral consistency, only power.
- vekntksijdhric 9mo agoright, because being a anti-white supremacists is the same as being a white supremacist....
- mc3301 9mo agosomething something, "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them," something something
- Imustaskforhelp 9mo agoWow, this comment was so hard to read with the something something which made me think it was condescending From what I can tell your comment about: You are talking about paradox of tolerance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance)
- immibis 9mo agoThat's correct. They are talking about the paradox of tolerance.
- ceejayoz 9mo agoDo you imagine white supremacists don't currently dox people?
- bigyabai 9mo agoI can imagine that white supremacists do a great deal of things I would never condone.
- King-Aaron 9mo ago"Their side" absolutely does this continuously, and is one of the reasons early facebook allowed people to use pseudonyms etc. Only one side of the political spectrum routinely resorts to malicious/vexatious behaviour as their modus operandi.
- BigTTYGothGF 9mo agoWhat do you mean "if"? I've had multiple friends driven off the internet by right-wing doxxers.
- strbean 9mo agoHow dare the US government, which executes people, tell me that I don't get to murder at will? Where is their moral high ground? /s
- protocolture 9mo agoWeird moral equivocation. Nazis declare themselves enemies of mankind. They otherise themselves with their beliefs. It should be legal to stone them in the streets as non humans. If "Their Side" did the same to innocent people who hadn't declared they are everyone's enemies its a completely different scenario.
- croes 9mo agoDefine doing the same? Exposing racism? Where is the moral problem? This isn’t exposing people for being white but for being supremacists. If they also expose something of the same kund of wrong I see no problem, everything I wouldn’t call doing the same. That’s like comparing police arresting people with criminals kidnapping people, both do kind of the same: imprison people.
- subdude 9mo agoI think the side that isn’t full of white supremacists would have the moral high ground by default.
- tolleydbg 9mo agoI'm not sure how much that would mean swinging from the rafters of [insert intolerant country]. The white supremacists will maybe lose their jobs or reputation, but the consequences could be much more dire in retaliation.
- immibis 9mo ago[flagged]
- clydethefrog 9mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515191 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46515191
- immibis 9mo agoWhen Batman corners the Joker it's good. When the Joker corners Batman it's bad.
- thefz 9mo agoWhile no one likes racists: A crime against someone you disagree with is still a crime. A crime against someone you despise is still a crime. A crime against someone who commits a crime is still a crime. So good intent, very, very bad execution, IMO.
- immibis 9mo agoHere we see an example of the law-and-order personality type, where the most important thing is to follow the law.
- thefz 9mo agoThat is kind of the point of a law, to be impartial. Without it we might as well go back to the stone age.
- justacrow 9mo ago"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread."
- immibis 9mo agoSometimes laws are bad - but people in Kohlberg stage 4 don't think so. There are many obvious historical counterexamples to laws being neutral, or good.
- thefz 9mo agoI am simply not for vigilante justice
- ZebusJesus 9mo agoYeah and DnD has lawful evil as an alignment for a reason!
- tcfhgj 9mo agoA act against someone random may be a crime. The same against someone committing a crime, may not be a crime.
- xvxvx 9mo agoGood choice, as the White Power Ranger has been a less-than-subtle character used by Nazis on Elon's X.
- q3k 9mo agoWhat's missing from the article is that this was also done live on stage at 39C3. Great energy.
- Insanity 9mo agoLink to video? Not sure what to search for lol
- netsharc 9mo agohttps://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-the-heartbreak-machine-nazis-in-the-echo-chamber https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-the-heartbreak-machine-nazis-in-... The 40 minutes of the presentation before the hack gives a lot more context: there are 2 journalists in addition to this anonymous pink Power Ranger, and they investigated the Nazi network, which is international. And Martha Root (the pink power ranger) was trolling them by creating an account and using LLM. The LLM didn't work properly, the account was blocked for suspicions of being a bot (and maybe for having "= 1 OR 1" as eg. gender), she talked her way out of it, and incredibly the admin that unblocked her asked if she wanted to meet up with him, and the site's founder. She said yes, didn't show up, but used that opportunity to covertly follow them and uncover the founder's identity - the journalists found that it's a 57-year old lady who's never been known in the scene, who was married to a French banker whose parents survived the holocaust, but in the last decade fell into the rabbit hole of white-victimization-theory.
- ls612 9mo agoSomehow I'm not holding my breath for this gal to be prosecuted under the CFAA. And then people wonder why the global right is rejecting the idea of the rule of law...
- GolfPopper 9mo agoThe implication that the "global right" has ever had any respect for the rule of law is incorrect.
- ceejayoz 9mo ago> Somehow I'm not holding my breath for this gal to be prosecuted under the CFAA. Considering that she, the act, and the targeted site are in Germany, that's a fair bet. > And then people wonder why the global right is rejecting the idea of the rule of law... Ah, you did the cartoon. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-Y...
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- ceejayoz 9mo ago> You clearly don't have much respect for the rule of law either… Applying the CFAA - an American law - to German citizens on German soil for a German crime would be disrespect to the rule of law. The Germans get to decide what they want to do here, and use their own laws if they see fit.
- Freedom2 9mo agoConsidering Americans are fine with kidnapping another country's leader these days, I would say they're more than happy to also decide what laws Germany gets to use as well.
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- archagon 9mo agoBullshit. I might be considered white today, but my ancestors wouldn’t have been[1]. And my particular Eastern European “white” culture has relatively little overlap with other European (French, Spanish, Italian, etc.) “white” cultures. If I identify with any ethnicity or race — which I very barely do — it’s Slavic, not white. “those word definition games don't work any more now that people have gotten on to the trick” Saying it doesn’t make it so. Maybe go educate yourself instead of tumbling down a white supremacist rabbit hole. [1] From Wikipedia article on Anti-Slavic sentiment: “Slavic peoples were considered to be people of an ‘inferior race’ who were unable to assimilate into American society. They were originally not considered to be ‘fully white’ (and thus fully American).” Same goes for Irish, Europeans of a darker complexion, etc. More on the modern notion of whiteness and its direct connection to slavery here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_people
- subdude 9mo agoWhiteness is a 19th century concept designed purely to exclude certain, typically immigrant, groups. It’s why Irish, Italian, or Slavic people weren’t historically considered “white,” or why white supremacists today can’t agree on whether Hispanics, Jews, or Indians are “white.” It’s entirely arbitrary. They could have just as easily made a racial category based solely around hair or eye color.
- r14c 9mo agoEvery white person comes from a specific ethnic background, be it German, British, Swedish or whatever. These are all high caste cultures in western European imperial tradition. A common identity among the various ethnic groups in the northern kingdoms. Idk how anyone would think German and British are the same ethnicity just because they are neughbors. Idk why that's upsetting, this is your culture.
- songodongo 9mo ago[flagged]
- ChrisArchitect 9mo agoEarlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46504804 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46504804