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I left when they started putting verified (paid) comments at the top of every conversation. Having the worst nazi views front and center on every comment isn't
by QuercusMax 9mo ago
I left when they started putting verified (paid) comments at the top of every conversation. Having the worst nazi views front and center on every comment isn't really a great experience.
- wahnfrieden 9mo agoThey also don’t take down overt Nazi content anymore. Accounts with all the standard unambiguous Nazi symbologies and hate content about their typical targets with associated slurs. With imagery of Hitler and praises of his policies. And calls for exterminating their perceived enemies and dehumanizing them as subhuman vermin. I’ve tried reporting many accounts and posts. It’s all protected now and boosted via payment.
- bakies 9mo agoWell the owner supports neo-nazi political parties, so that tracks.
- QuercusMax 9mo agoand of course he gave a very public Nazi salute
- zamadatix 9mo agoInviting a debate about what it was or wasn't only leads to a complete distractions over interpretation of a gesture when the dude already digs his own hole more deeply and more clearly in his feed anyways.
- QuercusMax 9mo ago[flagged]
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- krona 9mo agoThere was no "Sieg Heil!" either so maybe you're right!
- wahnfrieden 9mo agoNone of these kind of examples hold up under scrutiny when observed in video. There's a reason they're all shared as still photos or tiny blips of video which never shows the full motion salute that's being claimed.
- bakies 9mo agoExcept Elon's
- bakies 9mo agohttps://i.imgur.com/5KwUcDV.mp4 https://i.imgur.com/5KwUcDV.mp4
- zamadatix 9mo agoMy comment was in response to the debate already starting so it's quite bold to claim no debate will be had (i.e. "debate" does not mean "something I personally am on the fence about", it's something other people will hold in response to your views). Whether there will or won't be debate about something is (thankfully) not something you or I get to declare. It just happens or doesn't, and it had already - and so it remains. I'm sure "The only people who say it's not are <x>" is an abominable thought pattern Nazis and similar types would love everyone to have. It makes for a great excuse to never weigh things on their merits, so I'm not sure why you feel the need to invoke it when the merits are already in your court. I can't look at these numbers https://i.imgur.com/hwm2bI5.png https://i.imgur.com/hwm2bI5.png and conclude most Americans are Nazi's instead of being willing to accept perhaps not everyone sees it the same way I do even if they don't like Nazis either. To any actual Nazi supporters out there: To hell with you To anybody who thinks either everyone agrees with what they see 100% of the time or they are a literal Nazi: To hell with you as well
- skywhopper 9mo agoThere’s no debate.
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- slg 9mo agoI imagine I'm not the only one using HN less because both articles like this and comments like this are clearly being downvoted and/or flagged by a subset of users motivated by politics and the HN admin team seemingly doesn't consider that much of a problem. This story is incredibly relevant to a tech audience and this comment is objectively true and yet both are met with downvotes/flags. Whether HN wants to endorse a political ideology or not, their approach to handling these issues is a material support of the ideologies these stories and comments are criticizing.
- bakies 9mo agoI think there's brigading coming in to ruin these threads. I had several positive votes for a few minutes when stating a simple fact about Elon Musk and his support of neo-nazi political parties then -2 a min later edit: back to 14, kinda crazy
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- femiagbabiaka 9mo agoAnecdotally I think that moderation has been a lot more lenient when it comes to political content in the last year than in years prior. I have no hard evidence that this is actually the case, but I think especially pre-2020 I'd see very little political content on HN and now I see much more. It's also probably true that both liberals and conservatives have become even more polarized, leading to bad-faith flagging and downvoting, but I'm actually not sure what could be done about that, seems similar to anti-botting protections which is an arms race
- slg 9mo agoThis story belongs on this site regardless of politics. It is specifically about both AI and social media. Downvoting/flagging this story is much more politically motivated than posting/upvoting it.
- dzhiurgis 9mo agoWould be trivial to provide links to this content. Personally I've never seen anything like this.
- femiagbabiaka 9mo agoSearch for user h0wlingmutant
- dzhiurgis 9mo agoHuh? Nothing appears. Once again - links are trivial to share. Otherwise this is hearsay.
- wahnfrieden 9mo agoThey meant howlingmutant0 but I don't know which posts they refer to The ones I reported, I deleted the report emails so I can't help you at this moment. I don't know why you're surprised - you can go looking yourself and find examples
- dzhiurgis 9mo agoYeah I went thru his media. There was some backwards swastika that someone drawn on a synagogue. People were mocking the fact that idiots can't even draw that correctly.
- BigTTYGothGF 9mo agoAre you seriously asking for links to CSAM?
- dzhiurgis 9mo agoContext was nazi content. Apparently X is swimming in it. Yet nobody can provide evidence.
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- rsynnott 9mo ago> I’ve tried reporting many accounts and posts. I mean, honestly, you are wasting your time. Why would you expect the website run by the guy who likes giving Nazi salutes on TV to take down Nazi content? There's no point trying to engage with Twitter in good faith at this point; only real option is to stop using and move on (or hang out in the Nazi bar, I guess).
- russdill 9mo agoIt's gotten worse and yet more bland. The top few comments are almost always AI generated engagement farming posts.
- nbaugh1 9mo agoThe new engagement bait technique is "vague posting" so that people need to click into the comments and ask for specifics, its terrible
- MaysonL 9mo agoApple News does that a lot.
- roadside_picnic 9mo agoTo be fair, as someone who used to manage an X account for a very small startup as part of my role (glad that's no longer the case), for a long time (probably still the case) posting direct links would penalize your reach. So making a helpful, self-contained post your followers might find useful was algorithmically discouraged. Everything that is awful in the diff between X and Twitter is there entirely by decision and design.
- trafficante 9mo agoVagueposting is a different beast. There’s almost never any intention of informing etc; it’s just: QT a trending semi-controversial topic, tack on something like “imagine not knowing the real reason behind this”, and the replies are jammed full of competitive theories as to what the OP was implying. It’s fundamentally just another way of boosting account engagement metrics by encouraging repliers to signal that they are smart and clued-in. But it seems to work exceptionally well because it’s inescapable at the moment.
- beAbU 9mo agoVague posting is as old as social networks. I had loads of fun back in the day responding to all the "you know who you are" posts on facebook, when it's clearly not aimed at me.
- rsynnott 9mo agoI've got to imagine that Musk fired literally all of the product people. Pay-for-attention was just such an obviously bad idea, with a very long history of destroying social websites.
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- rsynnott 9mo agoEven on that theory, _not long term_, because for that sort of thing to work you still have to draw victims in, and breaking it as a social website will tend to discourage that.
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- addandsubtract 9mo agoThe problem is that the media still uses X in it's reporting, and people still use and link to it. If we just stopped using X and stripped it of any legitimacy, it would fall off pretty quickly.
- Schmerika 9mo agoTwitter also doesn't need users to fulfil Musk's goal of destroying a key factor in many (all?) people-powered movements. Occupy Wall Street, Arab Spring, BLM. And I'm sure that's a factor in why people like Larry Ellison and Saudi princes stumped up some of the money.
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