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Remove the machine and charge it's creators for generation and distribution of CSAM

• mrtksn 9mo ago
  why? how many Kodak executives were jailed? How many Nikon or Canon?
  • bakies 9mo ago
    How many of those execs generated CSAM?
    • mrtksn 9mo ago
      How many of Grok execs generated CSAM?
      • bakies 9mo ago
        Probably the CEO
  • leosanchez 9mo ago
    What an obnoxious anology dude. Taking creepy pictures and asking a machine to create create creapy pictures for the world to see are not the same.
    • mrtksn 9mo ago
      The one with taking creepy pictures has real victims, the one with making the machine generate the picture doesn’t but it tells something about the character of the person who makes it generate so I’m fine with them punished. Either way making the machine provider do the policing is ridiculous.
      • bakies 9mo ago
        it's still harassment, it's not victimless
        • mrtksn 9mo ago
          If they are harassing actual people, sure but that still should be handled by the actual police, not turning companies into police.
          • bakies 9mo ago
            the police arent going to handle it until well after its a really bad problem
      • vips7L 9mo ago
        You don’t think these children are real victims? Jesus dude.
        • mrtksn 9mo ago
          Which children you are talking about? Anyway, doesn’t matter the authorities should handle that, not companies.
  • gorbot 9mo ago
    Come on man. Really? You think this is a good argument? Why not charge the people who make my glasses cuz they help me see the CP? Why not charge computer monitor manufacturers? Why not charge the mine where they got the raw silicon? Here you have a product which itself straight up produces child porn with like absolutely zero effort. Very different than some object which happens to be used, photograph materials Nikon doesn't sell a 1-minute child porn machine, xAI apparently does. Maybe you think child porn machines should be sold?
    • mrtksn 9mo ago
      Of course it’s not the same thing but still doesn’t make sense to use companies as police. I’m sure it’s much easier than with Nikon but the wast majority of its users aren’t doing it, just go after those who do instead of demanding that the companies do the police work. If it was a case where CSAM production becomes mainstream use case I would have agreed but it is not.
      • gorbot 9mo ago
        > instead of demanding that the companies do the police work How hard is this? What are they doing now, and is it enough? Do we know how hard they are trying? For argument's sake, what if they had truly zero safegaurd around it, you could type "generate child porn" and it would 100% of the time. Surely you'd agree they should prevent that case, and be held accountable if they never took action to prevent it. Regulation, clear laws around this would help. Surely they could try go get some threshold of difficulty in place that is a requirement to adhere to preventing.
        • mrtksn 9mo ago
          No, I don't agree that they should prevent it. I'm not in CP so I don't try to make it generate such content but I'm very annoyed that all providers are trying to lecture me when I try to generate anything about public figures for example. Also, these preventive measures are not working well at all, yesterday I had one denying to generate infinite loop claiming its dangerous. Just throw away this BS about safety and jail/fine whomever commits crime with these tools. Make tools tools again and hold people responsible for the stuff they do with these tools.