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> What would lead one to conclude those would be the kind of "good jobs" everyone is envisioning Your entire political statement aside manufacturing was always
by stuffn 9mo ago
> What would lead one to conclude those would be the kind of "good jobs" everyone is envisioning
Your entire political statement aside manufacturing was always a good job. I’m not sure if you realize what kind of skilled labor went into manufacturing:
1. Machining
2. Tool and Die
3. Welding
4. Etc
Hell when I was working in construction I was making 20 dollars an hour at 18. That’s good money, and at the time if I would’ve stuck to it I would’ve been able to afford a decent life. My stint as a machinist while backbreaking at times was a good highly rewarding job.
Now, to address your political point. Yes, jobs should pay a living wage. Unfortunately even with such “wage suppression” America is still one of the most expensive countries to live in. We subsidize global food, drugs, etc. I can only agree with your point if we simultaneously become an export economy, and reduce or remove all global subsidy. But the party who supports raising wages also supports near limitless spending on the less fortunate countries. You cannot have both.
- wvenable 9mo ago"The United States provides over 40% of the world's humanitarian aid, and spends around 1% of its budget on foreign aid, including military aid. Surveys suggest that Americans believe 20% of the federal budget is spent on foreign aid, and that 59% of Americans believe the government spends too much on foreign aid" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14169 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_14169
- stuffn 9mo agoWikipedia isn’t a primary source. Your entire point can be disregarded.
- Timon3 9mo agoDo you have a primary source showing that "the party who supports raising wages also supports near limitless spending on the less fortunate countries"?
- ericjmorey 9mo agoYour unwillingness to read the primary sources linked in the Wikipedia article because they show how you're flat out wrong indicates that your entire thought process can be disregarded at no cost. https://www.euronews.com/2025/01/29/us-freeze-on-foreign-aid-funding-is-a-death-sentence-for-people-in-need-ngos-warn https://www.euronews.com/2025/01/29/us-freeze-on-foreign-aid... https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-foreign-aid-does-the-us-provide/country/united-states/ https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-foreign-aid-does-the-u...
- wvenable 9mo agoLiterally every sentence of that quote has sources listed in Wikipedia.
- afavour 9mo ago> But the party who supports raising wages also supports near limitless spending on the less fortunate countries. You cannot have both. Do they? Who advocates near limitless spending? Last I checked foreign aid was less than 1% of the federal budget.
- Supermancho 9mo agoIt's about 1.2% in 2024 with 0.24% being Israel.
- almosthere 9mo ago.24 of the 1.2? I would have believed Ukraine to have been the largest.
- modo_mario 9mo ago>I can only agree with your point if we simultaneously become an export economy, and reduce or remove all global subsidy. Would that not come with the end of the dollar as a reserve currency trough which the world essentially subsidizes american imports?
- stuffn 9mo agoNecessarily.
- runako 9mo agoI'm not sure wilder: - $20/hr for hazardous work is "good money" - your suggestion that we become an export economy, here on a forum where many people are working on products that will be purchased by the world but not counted as exports (examples of non-exporters who collect money from around the globe: Meta, Google, OpenAI, Anthropic, JP Morgan Chase, Citibank, AWS) - the idea that the way to prosperity is for Americans to move back into lower-productivity jobs. (Here I ask you to look up the revenue per employee of Costco and JP Morgan and on the other hand good manufacturers like Steelcase and Lockheed Martin and Eaton. What do you think happens if we move the workforce from higher-productivity jobs to lower-productivity jobs?) - your confusion of an economic point with a political point