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It's just fun in a different way now. I've long had dozens of ideas for things I wanted to build, and never enough time to really even build one of them. Over t

It's just fun in a different way now. I've long had dozens of ideas for things I wanted to build, and never enough time to really even build one of them. Over the last few months, I've been able to crank out several of these projects to satisfactory results. The code is not a beautiful work of art like I would prefer it to be, and the fun part is no longer the actual code and working in the code base like it used to be. The fun part now is being able to have an app or tool that gets the job I needed done. These are rarely important jobs, just things that I want as a personal user. Some of them have been good enough that I shipped them for other users, but the vast majority are just things I use personally. Just yesterday for example, I used AI to build a GTK app that has a bunch of sports team related sound effects built into them. I could have coded this by hand in 45 minutes, but it only took 10 minutes with AI. That's not the best part though. The best part is that I was able to use AI to get it building into an app image in a container so I can distribute it to myself as a single static file that I can execute on any system I want. Dicking with builds and distribution was always the painful part and something that I never enjoyed, but without it, usage is a pain. I've even gone back to projects I built a decade ago or more and got them building against modern libraries and distributed as RPMs or app images that I can trivially install on all of my systems. The joy is now in the results rather than the process, but it is joy nonetheless.

iamflimflam1 10mo ago
I think, for a lot of people, solving the problem was always the fun part. There is immense pleasure in a nice piece of code - something that is elegant, clever and simple at the same time. Grinding out code to get something finished - less fun…
- TuringTest 10mo ago
  It depends. Sometimes they joy is in discovering what problem you are solving, by exploring the space of possibilities on features and workflows on a domain. For that, having elegant and simple software is not needed; getting features fast to try out how they work is the basis of the pleasure, so having to write every detail by hand reduces the fun.
  - jimbokun 10mo ago
    Sounds like someone who enjoys listening to music but not composing or performing music.
    - dpkirchner 10mo ago
      Or maybe someone DJing instead of creating music from scratch.
    - TuringTest 10mo ago
      Or someone who enjoys playing music but not building their own instrument from scratch.
      - jimbokun 10mo ago
        No. Building the instrument would be electrical engineering. Playing the instrument would be writing software.
apitman 10mo ago
I use LLMs for code at work, but I've been a bit hesitant to dive in for side projects because I'm worried about the cost. Is it necessary to pay $200/mo to actually ship things or will $20/mo do it? Obviously I could just try it myself and see how far I get bit I'm curious to hear from someone a bit further down the path.
- vineyardmike 10mo ago
  The $20/mo subscription (Claude Code) that I've been using for my side projects has been more than enough for me 90% of the time. I mostly use the cheaper models lately (Haiku) and accept that it'll need a bit more intervention, but it's for personal stuff and fun so that's ok. If you use VSCode, Antigravity or another IDE that's trying to market their LLM integration, then you'll also get a tiny allowance of additional tokens through them. I'll use it for a few hours at a time, a couple days a week, often while watching TV or whatever. I do side projects more on long rainy weekends, and maybe not even every week during the summer. I'll hit the limit if I'm stuck inside on a boring Sunday and have an idea in my head I really wanted to try out and not stop until I'm done, but usually I never hit the limit. I don't think I've hit the limit since I switched my default to Haiku FWIW. The stat's say I've generated 182,661 output tokens in the last month (across 16 days), and total usage if via API would cost $39.67.
- Marha01 10mo ago
  You can use AI code editor that allows you to use your own API key, so you pay per-token, not a fixed monthly fee. For example Cline or Roo Code.
  - int_19h 10mo ago
    They all let you do that now, including Claude Code itself. You can choose between pay per token and subscription. Which means that a sensible way to go about those things is to start with a $20 subscription to get access to the best models, and then look at your extra per-token expenses and whether they justify that $200 monthly.
- freedomben 10mo ago

iamflimflam1 10mo ago

I think, for a lot of people, solving the problem was always the fun part. There is immense pleasure in a nice piece of code - something that is elegant, clever and simple at the same time. Grinding out code to get something finished - less fun…

TuringTest 10mo ago
It depends. Sometimes they joy is in discovering what problem you are solving, by exploring the space of possibilities on features and workflows on a domain. For that, having elegant and simple software is not needed; getting features fast to try out how they work is the basis of the pleasure, so having to write every detail by hand reduces the fun.
- jimbokun 10mo ago
  Sounds like someone who enjoys listening to music but not composing or performing music.
  - dpkirchner 10mo ago
    Or maybe someone DJing instead of creating music from scratch.
  - TuringTest 10mo ago
    Or someone who enjoys playing music but not building their own instrument from scratch.
    - jimbokun 10mo ago
      No. Building the instrument would be electrical engineering. Playing the instrument would be writing software.

apitman 10mo ago

I use LLMs for code at work, but I've been a bit hesitant to dive in for side projects because I'm worried about the cost. Is it necessary to pay $200/mo to actually ship things or will $20/mo do it? Obviously I could just try it myself and see how far I get bit I'm curious to hear from someone a bit further down the path.

vineyardmike 10mo ago
The $20/mo subscription (Claude Code) that I've been using for my side projects has been more than enough for me 90% of the time. I mostly use the cheaper models lately (Haiku) and accept that it'll need a bit more intervention, but it's for personal stuff and fun so that's ok. If you use VSCode, Antigravity or another IDE that's trying to market their LLM integration, then you'll also get a tiny allowance of additional tokens through them. I'll use it for a few hours at a time, a couple days a week, often while watching TV or whatever. I do side projects more on long rainy weekends, and maybe not even every week during the summer. I'll hit the limit if I'm stuck inside on a boring Sunday and have an idea in my head I really wanted to try out and not stop until I'm done, but usually I never hit the limit. I don't think I've hit the limit since I switched my default to Haiku FWIW. The stat's say I've generated 182,661 output tokens in the last month (across 16 days), and total usage if via API would cost $39.67.
Marha01 10mo ago
You can use AI code editor that allows you to use your own API key, so you pay per-token, not a fixed monthly fee. For example Cline or Roo Code.
- int_19h 10mo ago
  They all let you do that now, including Claude Code itself. You can choose between pay per token and subscription. Which means that a sensible way to go about those things is to start with a $20 subscription to get access to the best models, and then look at your extra per-token expenses and whether they justify that $200 monthly.
freedomben 10mo ago