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hum wouldn't the dutch use force to fight the US if the US ever attempted that? that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US

by jokoon 9mo ago

Manfred 9mo ago
*Danish
valevk 9mo ago
In the latest national security strategy the US defined the EU as an enemy. Also, when you read the chats from that Signal group where a reporter was accidentally added, you can see the resentment those people feel towards the EU.
- andsoitis 9mo ago
  > In the latest national security strategy the US defined the EU as an enemy. I would love for you to quote out of the document how you come to that conclusion? https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-N... The section is "C. Promoting European Greatness", starting on p25.
  - tordrt 9mo ago
    What? The whole Promoting European Greatness section is obviously an attack on the EU. They want to break it up. It states the goal is to help Europe operate as a "group of aligned sovereign nations" rather than a unified political or economic entity. It explicitly calls for "cultivating resistance to Europe’s current trajectory within European nations." It claims that the EU and other "transnational bodies" are responsible for a "stark prospect of civilizational erasure." It attacks the EU’s regulatory framework, calling it "economic suicide" and "stifling regulation". Suggesting that the U.S. will prioritize trade and technology sharing with "aligned countries" that reject these EU standards, creating economic incentives for member states to break away from EU-wide rules. It emphasizes building up "the healthy nations of central, eastern, and southern Europe"—specifically those that "want to restore their former greatness"
embedding-shape 9mo ago
> that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US The EU is already an enemy in the eyes of the US, even though it isn't reciprocated. Not sure what would happen if the US attacked Greenland, attacking a close ally you have literal agreements about protecting each other kind of forces NATO into new territory. My hunch is that the NATO would be dissolved, and everyone would have to team up against the aggressor.
- pppp 9mo ago
  >>NATO would be dissolved... This plays right into Putin's hands including everything else Trump has been doing to bring down the USA.
  - hdgvhicv 9mo ago
    At some point you have to stop appeasing and actually take a stand. I’m sure America will say they just need breathing room, I can see Starmer coming back from Florida with a note saying “peace in our time”.
- ExoticPearTree 9mo ago
  > My hunch is that the NATO would be dissolved, and everyone would have to team up against the aggressor. And do what exactly against the US? You can’t invade it, geographically they can easily defend Greenland from any invasion force. And speaking of an invasion force, how many countries do you know that can deploy an expeditionary force strong enough to take on the US?
  - drtgh 9mo ago
    US would be isolated with sanctions, EU may join to the BRICS (or a partial homologous?). So I'm not sure if the above is his main intention, or if he is telling Greenland to join the EU (altruism? hmmm), or if we're witnessing how he sent his businesses bankrupt [1] , or if I'm missing something. [1] https://archive.ph/mIJAA https://archive.ph/mIJAA ( https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe... ) Trump specialises in sending his businesses, hotels and casinos bankrupt, to the point banks stopped lending him money, so he turned to the Russian oligarchy for funding.
BSDobelix 9mo ago
>wouldn't the dutch use force I don't know about the dutch, but the danes are probably a bit pissed, however Greenland wants to be independent from Denmark...so there's that: https://theworld.org/stories/2025/09/15/greenlanders-largely-want-independence-but-think-itll-be-a-long-road-to-get-there https://theworld.org/stories/2025/09/15/greenlanders-largely...
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  > 56% of Greenlanders answer that they would vote yes to Greenlandic independence if a referendum were held today, 28% would vote no, and 17% do not know what they would vote for. Bit strong to say "Greelanders want to be independent" when it's only 56%, it's about half the ones surveyed. But more importantly: > The results show that 85% of Greenlanders do not want to leave the Realm and become part of the United States, while 6% want to leave the Danish Realm and become part of the United States, whereas the remaining 9% are undecided. Since a common tactic to gain a pretext for an invasion is "These people want to be independent!" I feel like it's important to point out than Greenlanders overwhelmingly don't want to be a part of the US, judging by that same survey you linked. So if the choice were to be "Be a part of Denmark" or "Be a part of the US", the majority would stick with Denmark. Also, the survey is from "22nd to 26th of January 2025", pretty much a year ago, with ~500 people answering, and I'm pretty sure the results would look different today, especially since yesterday.
  - BSDobelix 9mo ago
    >>While Greenlanders broadly support independence, there is a divide over how quickly it should happen. https://www.arctictoday.com/the-seven-steps-to-greenlandic-independence/ https://www.arctictoday.com/the-seven-steps-to-greenlandic-i... >>While a majority of Greenland's 57,000 inhabitants support independence, there is division over the timing and potential impact on living standards. https://www.reuters.com/world/greenlands-leader-steps-up-push-independence-denmark-2025-01-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/greenlands-leader-steps-up-pus... As you can see here there's only one party (with 7.4%) in Greenland who is against independence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election#Participating_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_elect... One would say that paints a pretty clear picture. >So if the choice were to be "Be a part of Denmark" or "Be a part of the US", the majority would stick with Denmark. Or maybe the third choice..be independent?
jacquesm 9mo ago
I wasn't aware Greenland was part of the Netherlands.
wolvoleo 9mo ago
Holland is a stupid lap dog of the US. They didn't even want to issue a statement condemning the Venezuela operation. It's the most strongly neoliberal country left in the EU since the British left. Also always falling over themselves to apologise for Israeli war crimes. This is why Rutte became SG of NATO, his neoliberal oligarch party was always an American lapdog. I don't expect any kind of action from them about Greenland. Denmark maybe, they're also pretty right-wing but it affects them directly. And Spain which have much less of an issue giving a middle finger to Trump.

hum wouldn't the dutch use force to fight the US if the US ever attempted that? that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US

by jokoon 9mo ago

hum wouldn't the dutch use force to fight the US if the US ever attempted that? that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US

Manfred 9mo ago

*Danish

valevk 9mo ago

In the latest national security strategy the US defined the EU as an enemy. Also, when you read the chats from that Signal group where a reporter was accidentally added, you can see the resentment those people feel towards the EU.

andsoitis 9mo ago
> In the latest national security strategy the US defined the EU as an enemy. I would love for you to quote out of the document how you come to that conclusion? https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-N... The section is "C. Promoting European Greatness", starting on p25.
- tordrt 9mo ago
  What? The whole Promoting European Greatness section is obviously an attack on the EU. They want to break it up. It states the goal is to help Europe operate as a "group of aligned sovereign nations" rather than a unified political or economic entity. It explicitly calls for "cultivating resistance to Europe’s current trajectory within European nations." It claims that the EU and other "transnational bodies" are responsible for a "stark prospect of civilizational erasure." It attacks the EU’s regulatory framework, calling it "economic suicide" and "stifling regulation". Suggesting that the U.S. will prioritize trade and technology sharing with "aligned countries" that reject these EU standards, creating economic incentives for member states to break away from EU-wide rules. It emphasizes building up "the healthy nations of central, eastern, and southern Europe"—specifically those that "want to restore their former greatness"

embedding-shape 9mo ago

> that could turn the EU into an enemy of the US The EU is already an enemy in the eyes of the US, even though it isn't reciprocated. Not sure what would happen if the US attacked Greenland, attacking a close ally you have literal agreements about protecting each other kind of forces NATO into new territory. My hunch is that the NATO would be dissolved, and everyone would have to team up against the aggressor.

pppp 9mo ago
>>NATO would be dissolved... This plays right into Putin's hands including everything else Trump has been doing to bring down the USA.
- hdgvhicv 9mo ago
  At some point you have to stop appeasing and actually take a stand. I’m sure America will say they just need breathing room, I can see Starmer coming back from Florida with a note saying “peace in our time”.
ExoticPearTree 9mo ago
> My hunch is that the NATO would be dissolved, and everyone would have to team up against the aggressor. And do what exactly against the US? You can’t invade it, geographically they can easily defend Greenland from any invasion force. And speaking of an invasion force, how many countries do you know that can deploy an expeditionary force strong enough to take on the US?
- drtgh 9mo ago
  US would be isolated with sanctions, EU may join to the BRICS (or a partial homologous?). So I'm not sure if the above is his main intention, or if he is telling Greenland to join the EU (altruism? hmmm), or if we're witnessing how he sent his businesses bankrupt [1] , or if I'm missing something. [1] https://archive.ph/mIJAA https://archive.ph/mIJAA ( https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helped-save-trumps-business/ https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/12/21/how-russian-money-helpe... ) Trump specialises in sending his businesses, hotels and casinos bankrupt, to the point banks stopped lending him money, so he turned to the Russian oligarchy for funding.

BSDobelix 9mo ago

>wouldn't the dutch use force I don't know about the dutch, but the danes are probably a bit pissed, however Greenland wants to be independent from Denmark...so there's that: https://theworld.org/stories/2025/09/15/greenlanders-largely-want-independence-but-think-itll-be-a-long-road-to-get-there https://theworld.org/stories/2025/09/15/greenlanders-largely...

embedding-shape 9mo ago
> 56% of Greenlanders answer that they would vote yes to Greenlandic independence if a referendum were held today, 28% would vote no, and 17% do not know what they would vote for. Bit strong to say "Greelanders want to be independent" when it's only 56%, it's about half the ones surveyed. But more importantly: > The results show that 85% of Greenlanders do not want to leave the Realm and become part of the United States, while 6% want to leave the Danish Realm and become part of the United States, whereas the remaining 9% are undecided. Since a common tactic to gain a pretext for an invasion is "These people want to be independent!" I feel like it's important to point out than Greenlanders overwhelmingly don't want to be a part of the US, judging by that same survey you linked. So if the choice were to be "Be a part of Denmark" or "Be a part of the US", the majority would stick with Denmark. Also, the survey is from "22nd to 26th of January 2025", pretty much a year ago, with ~500 people answering, and I'm pretty sure the results would look different today, especially since yesterday.
- BSDobelix 9mo ago
  >>While Greenlanders broadly support independence, there is a divide over how quickly it should happen. https://www.arctictoday.com/the-seven-steps-to-greenlandic-independence/ https://www.arctictoday.com/the-seven-steps-to-greenlandic-i... >>While a majority of Greenland's 57,000 inhabitants support independence, there is division over the timing and potential impact on living standards. https://www.reuters.com/world/greenlands-leader-steps-up-push-independence-denmark-2025-01-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/greenlands-leader-steps-up-pus... As you can see here there's only one party (with 7.4%) in Greenland who is against independence: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_election#Participating_parties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Greenlandic_general_elect... One would say that paints a pretty clear picture. >So if the choice were to be "Be a part of Denmark" or "Be a part of the US", the majority would stick with Denmark. Or maybe the third choice..be independent?

jacquesm 9mo ago

I wasn't aware Greenland was part of the Netherlands.

wolvoleo 9mo ago

Holland is a stupid lap dog of the US. They didn't even want to issue a statement condemning the Venezuela operation. It's the most strongly neoliberal country left in the EU since the British left. Also always falling over themselves to apologise for Israeli war crimes. This is why Rutte became SG of NATO, his neoliberal oligarch party was always an American lapdog. I don't expect any kind of action from them about Greenland. Denmark maybe, they're also pretty right-wing but it affects them directly. And Spain which have much less of an issue giving a middle finger to Trump.