4 ms·

Don't think we (Americans) would be happy if another country invaded and started capturing people to face trial in their country.

meindnoch 10mo ago
Israel did that in Argentina with Adolf Eichmann, and the US celebrated it.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  They actually had 6 million good reasons.
- jopsen 10mo ago
  And he was head of state? (retorical question). What Trump just did is an act of war, undeclared and deceitful in every way. It makes diplomacy much harder to do in the future. It makes the US untrustworthy.
  - JCattheATM 10mo ago
    > It makes the US untrustworthy. That's explicitly been the case since 45 was elected a second time. Even if we get an adult in charge again, there is no guarantee of stability anymore with the way the population is.
    - foxglacier 10mo ago
      Like who? Biden a puppet with dementia, Obama invading Libya and helping kill Gadaffi (and actually killing his family), as well as drone strikes on individuals in lots of middle eastern countries, Bush and Iraq/Afghanistan, Clinton and .. Iraq? but also war on drugs and Mexico border fence. Previous Bush - Iraq again?? Before that, South America again.
      - JCattheATM 10mo ago
        Biden became worse in the last year, but he wasn't a 'puppet', certainly not like the current president is. I'm not a fan of Obama's actions but he at least gave justification instead of inventing it and lying like Bush. Kamala was the obvious choice and the only adult running in the last election, but she lost largely due to sexism, racism and gullibility of the red state population. Assuming we get to have another election, we'd hopefully have someone like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.
        IncreasePosts 10mo ago
        Democratic rejected Kamala resoundingly in the primaries, and then the Democratic leadership tried to force her down everyone's throat. That's on them, not the voters. They asked people to eat a sandwich some shit on it instead of a shit sandwich and not surprisingly voters weren't too enthused.
        JCattheATM 10mo ago
        No, it's on the voters, 100%. A primary would have been messy. She may not have been everyone's first choice, but she was 100% the responsible choice. People screwed over the country out of spite, but that's 100% in line with how immature and uneducated the US population is. Not to mention bigoted in various ways.
        IncreasePosts 10mo ago
        Obviously she was not everyone's first choice. She was almost no one's first choice. Democrat voters let her know that when they only gave her ~7% support in the 2020 primaries. Maybe a messy primary that everyone feels a part of would have been better than a few leaders of the Democratic party attempting to anoint the next president. Maybe you think it was the responsible choice, but that certainly isn't what Obama thought in 2024, since he was pushing for open primaries before his hand was forced into endorsing Harris. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both performed significantly better than Harris did in the 2020 primaries. Maybe one of them would have been the responsible choice.
solenoid0937 10mo ago
This is naive. No other country would dare do this to the US because the US would simply rain literal hellfire upon them. Your mistake is in equating the US to other countries. You cannot. It is a superpower. When other countries act hostile to the US, it can simply ignore their sovereignty at a whim, and this is a huge benefit to living in US. Is it unfair? Sure. Who cares?
- Arainach 10mo ago
  This is wrong and hilariously short sighted. Other countries don't respect America due to military might - they do so because of decades of mutually beneficial trade agreements. Soft power is infinitely more useful than hard power.
  - solenoid0937 10mo ago
    Both play a significant role. Many countries absolutely respect us because of our military might. They rely on it because they don't want to divert funding from welfare to build out their own militaries. As such, they ally with us, creating inroads to trade et al. Obviously, there's more than just military might, we have the most innovative and powerful economy on the planet as well. However, with a country like Venezuela, where none of our allies truly care what we do (sure, they might blow hot air but whatever), we are free to use hard power to achieve our objectives.
  - jacquesm 10mo ago
    You can take that into the past tense now I think.
- goatlover 10mo ago
  People who don't live in a superpower. People who care about international law. People who would rather the most powerful countries didn't act like bullies whenever it suits their interests.
  - solenoid0937 10mo ago
    "Who cares?" was glib on my part, I admit. It was obviously stated from the perspective of an American relying on that power, towards other Americans. However, international law has always been a thin veneer over the reality of international relations. History shows that nations act in their own self-interest, regardless of the "rules." The concept of one country "bullying" another is irrelevant moralizing. You are applying playground rules (or the rules of civil society) to a global stage defined by anarchy: there is no "teacher" to stop the "bullying" here. It is a zero-sum game of security and power. At this level, "bullying" isn't a meaningful concept, only leverage is. Should the world be this way? I wish not. Political realism is a grim framework. Unfortunately, game theory tells us that so long as any one superpower believes in realism, the rest of us must as well, or risk getting outmaneuvered. And Russia/China certainly believe in it.
IncreasePosts 10mo ago
If Trump successfully stole the election in 2021, I'm sure there would have been many Americans who would be happy for Canada or England or France to capture him and put him on trial..
stodor89 10mo ago
That other country will quickly learn why America doesn't have free healthcare ;)

meindnoch 10mo ago

Israel did that in Argentina with Adolf Eichmann, and the US celebrated it.

jacquesm 10mo ago
They actually had 6 million good reasons.
jopsen 10mo ago
And he was head of state? (retorical question). What Trump just did is an act of war, undeclared and deceitful in every way. It makes diplomacy much harder to do in the future. It makes the US untrustworthy.
- JCattheATM 10mo ago
  > It makes the US untrustworthy. That's explicitly been the case since 45 was elected a second time. Even if we get an adult in charge again, there is no guarantee of stability anymore with the way the population is.
  - foxglacier 10mo ago
    Like who? Biden a puppet with dementia, Obama invading Libya and helping kill Gadaffi (and actually killing his family), as well as drone strikes on individuals in lots of middle eastern countries, Bush and Iraq/Afghanistan, Clinton and .. Iraq? but also war on drugs and Mexico border fence. Previous Bush - Iraq again?? Before that, South America again.
    - JCattheATM 10mo ago
      Biden became worse in the last year, but he wasn't a 'puppet', certainly not like the current president is. I'm not a fan of Obama's actions but he at least gave justification instead of inventing it and lying like Bush. Kamala was the obvious choice and the only adult running in the last election, but she lost largely due to sexism, racism and gullibility of the red state population. Assuming we get to have another election, we'd hopefully have someone like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren.
      - IncreasePosts 10mo ago
        Democratic rejected Kamala resoundingly in the primaries, and then the Democratic leadership tried to force her down everyone's throat. That's on them, not the voters. They asked people to eat a sandwich some shit on it instead of a shit sandwich and not surprisingly voters weren't too enthused.
        JCattheATM 10mo ago
        No, it's on the voters, 100%. A primary would have been messy. She may not have been everyone's first choice, but she was 100% the responsible choice. People screwed over the country out of spite, but that's 100% in line with how immature and uneducated the US population is. Not to mention bigoted in various ways.
        IncreasePosts 10mo ago
        Obviously she was not everyone's first choice. She was almost no one's first choice. Democrat voters let her know that when they only gave her ~7% support in the 2020 primaries. Maybe a messy primary that everyone feels a part of would have been better than a few leaders of the Democratic party attempting to anoint the next president. Maybe you think it was the responsible choice, but that certainly isn't what Obama thought in 2024, since he was pushing for open primaries before his hand was forced into endorsing Harris. Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren both performed significantly better than Harris did in the 2020 primaries. Maybe one of them would have been the responsible choice.

solenoid0937 10mo ago

This is naive. No other country would dare do this to the US because the US would simply rain literal hellfire upon them. Your mistake is in equating the US to other countries. You cannot. It is a superpower. When other countries act hostile to the US, it can simply ignore their sovereignty at a whim, and this is a huge benefit to living in US. Is it unfair? Sure. Who cares?

Arainach 10mo ago
This is wrong and hilariously short sighted. Other countries don't respect America due to military might - they do so because of decades of mutually beneficial trade agreements. Soft power is infinitely more useful than hard power.
- solenoid0937 10mo ago
  Both play a significant role. Many countries absolutely respect us because of our military might. They rely on it because they don't want to divert funding from welfare to build out their own militaries. As such, they ally with us, creating inroads to trade et al. Obviously, there's more than just military might, we have the most innovative and powerful economy on the planet as well. However, with a country like Venezuela, where none of our allies truly care what we do (sure, they might blow hot air but whatever), we are free to use hard power to achieve our objectives.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  You can take that into the past tense now I think.
goatlover 10mo ago
People who don't live in a superpower. People who care about international law. People who would rather the most powerful countries didn't act like bullies whenever it suits their interests.
- solenoid0937 10mo ago
  "Who cares?" was glib on my part, I admit. It was obviously stated from the perspective of an American relying on that power, towards other Americans. However, international law has always been a thin veneer over the reality of international relations. History shows that nations act in their own self-interest, regardless of the "rules." The concept of one country "bullying" another is irrelevant moralizing. You are applying playground rules (or the rules of civil society) to a global stage defined by anarchy: there is no "teacher" to stop the "bullying" here. It is a zero-sum game of security and power. At this level, "bullying" isn't a meaningful concept, only leverage is. Should the world be this way? I wish not. Political realism is a grim framework. Unfortunately, game theory tells us that so long as any one superpower believes in realism, the rest of us must as well, or risk getting outmaneuvered. And Russia/China certainly believe in it.

IncreasePosts 10mo ago

If Trump successfully stole the election in 2021, I'm sure there would have been many Americans who would be happy for Canada or England or France to capture him and put him on trial..

stodor89 10mo ago

That other country will quickly learn why America doesn't have free healthcare ;)