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Yeah, I was mostly surprised about the brazenness of it all. So the plan is to take over the government, take over the oil industry, sell the oil and in infinit
by xg15 10mo ago
Yeah, I was mostly surprised about the brazenness of it all. So the plan is to take over the government, take over the oil industry, sell the oil and in infinite grace give the Venezuelans some part of it back (minus of course the "compensation" for the years in which US companies were kept out of the country)
And all that as official doctrine, not even some secret strategy paper or covert ops campaign.
Edit: I had to chuckle at his "reviewing" of the Monroe doctrine as DONroe doctrine. There is "on the nose" and there is "punching someone in the face"...
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> the plan is There is no plan. Again. Machado is standing by. But she’s a woman so Trump has ruled her out.
- JKCalhoun 10mo agoHe's just said she's not being considered.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo agoCorrect. I spoke unclearly. I meant that we have a good option, our Endara to Noriega, but instead Trump is hard pivoting to the Baghdad model.
- joseda-hg 10mo agoWhich makes total sense, the military has been Chavismo's strongest asset for as long as it's been a thing That won't change just because Maduro isn't there, whomever does take control, will need external protection, or the US acting as an unspoken enforcer (Unspoken because "No boots on the ground right now" but "prepared for a second wave")
- terminalshort 10mo agoI suspect there is also consideration of strategy here. The regime's lack of democratic approval is actually a benefit. A client state that has democratic approval has much more leeway to go against its master. A client regime that is unpopular with its population has no other base of support than the powerful country that put it there. This maximizes leverage.
- overfeed 10mo ago> Which makes total sense Which implies it's may not be the actual reason. The reason might be as trifling as being salty over Machado getting the Nobel peace prize, and not Trump.
- notahacker 10mo agoThe military clearly moved (or strategically chose to indicate they wouldn't move) for a paranoid, military-aligned dictator to be captured by a small force with only naval backup exactly when everybody most expected the US to move. Unless there's a faction there that actually likes Machado she may even be lower on the next-leader list than "Maduro pays his captors off with the contents of his offshore accounts, meaningful promises of oil money and empty statements about cracking down on narcotics trade". I assume he has ways of finding out who his loyalists are and who they aren't too...
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- thrance 10mo agoYou mean the lady that basically called for this invasion, praised Trump and MAGA, promised she would let western companies extract whatever they want in exchange for personal power? Yeah, surely this will end well for Venezuelans.
- brewdad 10mo agoShe could had gotten everything she wanted if she only understood that blowing smoke up Trump's ass isn't good enough anymore. He demands bribes as well. If $1-6 million buys a pardon, how much buys a country?
- 5ver 10mo agoIt’s reasonable for her to say such things in order to get support of the nation most capable of removing Maduro and allowing her to rule. It doesn’t make her a bad person or speak negatively on how effective a ruler she will be.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> the lady that basically called for this invasion Like Jefferson lobbied France to help us out with Britain.
- thrance 10mo agoI missed the part where Jefferson promised Louis the XVIth exclusive access to the colonies' wealth, and then France abducted the King. Better analogy would be Pinochet's coup. Nationalists calling for the US to coup their own country and place them in charge in exchange for acting like docile puppets to US interests. This is exactly what is happening there, Trump said so a few hours ago.
- morgoths_bane 10mo agoI was completely unaware that Maduro was a foreign colonial power like Britain.
- perihelions 10mo ago> "And all that as official doctrine" The Donroe Doctrine. https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mbjv2l5otf25 https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3mbjv2l5otf25
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- cmorgan31 10mo agoPrepare Canada and Greenland, you can see the standard American right wing response to unchecked war mongering right here. On a technology note, anyone got any bets on which company gets all the free loot? Did Erik Prince rebrand for the fiftieth time? Seems like he’d be a safe bet.
- NewJazz 10mo agoDid we watch the same debate? He was diminished, at the end of his term, during a tough campaign. But not crazy. And certainly not a puppet.
- platinumrad 10mo agoTwo wrongs don't make a right.
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- lurk2 10mo ago> minus of course the "compensation" for the years in which US companies were kept out of the country I don’t want to sound like I’m running coverage for the Americans, but wasn’t a lot of that infrastructure built by foreign multinationals and then expropriated by Chávez in 2007?
- throwaway173738 10mo agoIf it was done in a legal process then it should be litigated in that country.
- trymas 10mo ago> built by foreign multinationals and then expropriated by Chávez in 2007? If you follow this reasoning - after what happened today - you will get Iran 2.0: Venezuelan boogaloo I have zero optimism that after this - ordinary Venezuelans will have better outcomes in 10 years time. Current USA government is some weird klepto-oligrachy. Hates brown people. It’s not doing it out of benevolence to Venezuelans. Venezuelans will get either colonialist resource extraction treatment or some power vacuum will bring just another despot.
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- lolive 10mo agoVenezuela is the new Africa [or India [or Philipins]]
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- thread_id 10mo agoAsk the Guyanese next door if they think they are getting a good deal from oil exploitation: https://ieefa.org/articles/guyana-paying-oil-costs-20-years-future-no-guarantees-money-will-be-there-when-needed https://ieefa.org/articles/guyana-paying-oil-costs-20-years-...
- xyzzy123 10mo agoI think a lot of people don't understand the difference between geopolitical control and economic control. Being explicit, I'm saying that having access to a resource doesn't mean you get to sell it to whoever you like.
- manoDev 10mo agoNobody from Latin America is surprised, the US has been a bully state since the cold war.
- yugioh3 10mo agoAmerican interventionism in Latin America goes back hundreds of years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_(military) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filibuster_(military) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_Wars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Corollary https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roosevelt_Corollary
- mensetmanusman 10mo agoThere has never not been a bully in anarchic systems.
- tootie 10mo agoThe official doctrine yesterday was they were killing Americans with drug trafficking. That didn't even get mentioned today.