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Well, I'm just an onlooker, so I don't have any influence on U.S. politics. I'm just constantly astonished that the U.S. people would vote for such a charlatan.

Well, I'm just an onlooker, so I don't have any influence on U.S. politics. I'm just constantly astonished that the U.S. people would vote for such a charlatan. Twice.

ycombinary 10mo ago
Social media and tech companies are effectively helping external actors (and malicious internal actors) to break western democracy.
- ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
  Quite - that's been patently obvious since the Cambridge Analytica scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana... Ultimately, there's a war between the haves and the have-nots and one side clearly has more resources.
  - ycombinary 10mo ago
    Yeah. It's demoralising.
- amelius 10mo ago
  Yes, that is the final observation needed in the proof that open societies are more brittle than those led by dictators.
  - ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
    An open society shouldn't have all the mainstream media in the control of just a handful of people - that's a recipe for abuse and cover-ups. It reminds me of hierarchical religions where just certain people (e.g. priests) have access to the "higher powers" and can thus mislead the masses.
refurb 10mo ago
The problem is you’re getting all your information from the internet (I’ll bet social media?). The impact of that is on display in this very thread. Random unproven accusations, conspiracy theories and repetition of “facts” that have been disproven long ago. If your goal is to educate yourself about the US leadership, or really any subject, you’re not going to do it by what you see on social media.
- ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
  Your post isn't really doing anything apart from casting general doubt. Can you be more specific please? Are there more reliable sources of information that you can point to?
- JumpinJack_Cash 10mo ago
  > > Random unproven accusations, conspiracy theories and repetition of “facts” that have been disproven long ago. Every person who has been out in the world had to deal with a Trump like person in the workplace or wherever . And people don't like it, as a matter of fact they despise it, he's only kept afloat by those who fail to connect the abusive bullying behavior of DJT with their own personal experience with a similar character and those who enjoy bullying or are paitiently waiting in line to do some bullying.
  - refurb 10mo ago
    You reply seems to be a nonsequitur to my comment.
    - JumpinJack_Cash 10mo ago
      it's not, you are arguing for media to conceal or hide Trump's personality and the common intuition ahout him
      - refurb 10mo ago
        Intuition? Let me put it this way - if you wanted to know a subject well, as in truly understand it, for example the current protests in Iran. Do you think you’d walk away with a good understanding from what the mainstream media says? From social media? I think it clear to most people the media does a horrible job. Now consider if they do such a horrible job on those topics, do you think they suddenly do a good job on US politics?

Well, I'm just an onlooker, so I don't have any influence on U.S. politics. I'm just constantly astonished that the U.S. people would vote for such a charlatan. Twice.

ycombinary 10mo ago

Social media and tech companies are effectively helping external actors (and malicious internal actors) to break western democracy.

ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
Quite - that's been patently obvious since the Cambridge Analytica scandal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Analytica_data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook%E2%80%93Cambridge_Ana... Ultimately, there's a war between the haves and the have-nots and one side clearly has more resources.
- ycombinary 10mo ago
  Yeah. It's demoralising.
amelius 10mo ago
Yes, that is the final observation needed in the proof that open societies are more brittle than those led by dictators.
- ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
  An open society shouldn't have all the mainstream media in the control of just a handful of people - that's a recipe for abuse and cover-ups. It reminds me of hierarchical religions where just certain people (e.g. priests) have access to the "higher powers" and can thus mislead the masses.

refurb 10mo ago

The problem is you’re getting all your information from the internet (I’ll bet social media?). The impact of that is on display in this very thread. Random unproven accusations, conspiracy theories and repetition of “facts” that have been disproven long ago. If your goal is to educate yourself about the US leadership, or really any subject, you’re not going to do it by what you see on social media.

ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
Your post isn't really doing anything apart from casting general doubt. Can you be more specific please? Are there more reliable sources of information that you can point to?
JumpinJack_Cash 10mo ago
> > Random unproven accusations, conspiracy theories and repetition of “facts” that have been disproven long ago. Every person who has been out in the world had to deal with a Trump like person in the workplace or wherever . And people don't like it, as a matter of fact they despise it, he's only kept afloat by those who fail to connect the abusive bullying behavior of DJT with their own personal experience with a similar character and those who enjoy bullying or are paitiently waiting in line to do some bullying.
- refurb 10mo ago
  You reply seems to be a nonsequitur to my comment.
  - JumpinJack_Cash 10mo ago
    it's not, you are arguing for media to conceal or hide Trump's personality and the common intuition ahout him
    - refurb 10mo ago
      Intuition? Let me put it this way - if you wanted to know a subject well, as in truly understand it, for example the current protests in Iran. Do you think you’d walk away with a good understanding from what the mainstream media says? From social media? I think it clear to most people the media does a horrible job. Now consider if they do such a horrible job on those topics, do you think they suddenly do a good job on US politics?