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Maduro is not the head of a sovereign state. The President of Venezuela is Edmundo González, the winner of their last election[1]. To know if this violates Vene

Maduro is not the head of a sovereign state. The President of Venezuela is Edmundo González, the winner of their last election[1]. To know if this violates Venezuela's sovereignty, you would have to ask their President. Personally, I fully support this operation, unless their President indicates otherwise. It's a good day for democracy and freedom. [1] https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-ii-the-venezuelan-presidential-election/ https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-...

otherme123 10mo ago
The world is full of dictators, one of them just a few miles from Florida, yet the USA only seems interested in dictators with plenty of oil. You fool no one.
- inglor_cz 10mo ago
  I wouldn't be so sure about the longevity of the Cuban regime right now. The US has many voters of Cuban origin, and the vast majority of those would be happy with a regime change in Habana. Rubio is a well-known Cuba hawk and Trump is crazy enough to try.
  - nephihaha 10mo ago
    I'm surprised Castro's Cuba still exists.
  - erxam 10mo ago
    Yeah, we're fucked. As much as I wish I could go and pontificate about how much better and more moral the PCC is than any other government on the face of the earth, they are in the worst possible spot right now. It's less of a 'will they topple the revolutionary government in Cuba?' and more of a 'will they do it before or after they topple the revolutionary government in Nicaragua?'.
- energy123 10mo ago
  I'm not naive about Trump's motivations, he tried to destroy democracy in the US after all. But it doesn't bear on my interpretation of the outcome of this event, which is what I am happy about. Call it a coincidental alignment of self-interest with what's best for the people inside Venezuela.
  - mfost 10mo ago
    This is short sighted too It can also turn out worse for the Venezuelans, it doesn't have to become better.
moralestapia 10mo ago
Completely agree. Are we against democracy now?
greekrich92 10mo ago
Maduro is the elected president. Don't spread misinformation.
- energy123 10mo ago
  He's not: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-ii-the-venezuelan-presidential-election/ https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-...
  - Y_Y 10mo ago
    https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-ii-the-venezuelan-presidential-election/#comment-685473 https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-... I don't think that blog says what you think it does. Tao is using a deliberately limited model to make a probablistic claim, not saying he'd make a 10⁸:1 bet that the election was rigged. The election may well have been rigged anyway, it doesn't change the fact that Maduro was the one sitting in the president's chair and carrying out the president's duties.
- kwanbix 10mo ago
  He is not. He is as legit as Putin is. They fake elections.
  - nullorempty 10mo ago
    Putin doesn't need to fake elections. His approval rating is very-very high. You need to be russian to know that.
    - kwanbix 10mo ago
      Why would he need to tamper with election if he has?
megous 10mo ago
Yeah, I'll defer judgement of this for 5 years, after we see: results in Venezuela. How this emboldens other wannabe agressors elsewhere in the world, and where the erosion of respect for rules of UN charter will lead. Until then, the only conclusion I’m comfortable drawing is this: anyone confidently declaring that kidnappings, bombings, and killings are great for democracy, without waiting to see if there are any real long-term benefits, isn’t offering serious analysis. They’re just enthusiastically clapping for violence and hoping history does the cleanup later.
- ordinary 10mo ago
  This careful response seems sensible at first blush. After all, maybe in 5 years things will be better for Venezuelans! On the other hand, maybe not. In my heart of hearts I believe the odds are not great, but in lieu of a time machine, I think we can do no better than call it 50:50 odds. In the meantime, though, this action is already having effects beyond the US and Venezuela. Withholding judgement until this conflict has fully played out carries with it an implicitly permission for similar actions in other places and situations. After all, maybe those will be for the better too! That's why I oppose this action. Not in support the Maduro regime, which in my view has little to nothing that's worth defending, but because of the precedent that it sets for future events. This is hardly the first time a nation has had its sovereignty violated by a stronger power, and I'm not so naive to believe that it will be the last if only enough people spoke out. But at the same time, I strongly believe that accepting it as something that's inevitable (or even good) will only make it happen more often.
- fennecbutt 10mo ago
  How about in 10-20 years when all of Venezuela's natural resources are owned by America "b-but muh job creators" minimum wages then all the big profits go offshore. Tale as old as time.
adhamsalama 10mo ago
How did that work out for Iraq? It wasn't a good day for the million Iraqi civilians that the US murdered.
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otherme123 10mo ago

The world is full of dictators, one of them just a few miles from Florida, yet the USA only seems interested in dictators with plenty of oil. You fool no one.

inglor_cz 10mo ago
I wouldn't be so sure about the longevity of the Cuban regime right now. The US has many voters of Cuban origin, and the vast majority of those would be happy with a regime change in Habana. Rubio is a well-known Cuba hawk and Trump is crazy enough to try.
- nephihaha 10mo ago
  I'm surprised Castro's Cuba still exists.
- erxam 10mo ago
  Yeah, we're fucked. As much as I wish I could go and pontificate about how much better and more moral the PCC is than any other government on the face of the earth, they are in the worst possible spot right now. It's less of a 'will they topple the revolutionary government in Cuba?' and more of a 'will they do it before or after they topple the revolutionary government in Nicaragua?'.
energy123 10mo ago
I'm not naive about Trump's motivations, he tried to destroy democracy in the US after all. But it doesn't bear on my interpretation of the outcome of this event, which is what I am happy about. Call it a coincidental alignment of self-interest with what's best for the people inside Venezuela.
- mfost 10mo ago
  This is short sighted too It can also turn out worse for the Venezuelans, it doesn't have to become better.

moralestapia 10mo ago

Completely agree. Are we against democracy now?

greekrich92 10mo ago

Maduro is the elected president. Don't spread misinformation.

energy123 10mo ago
He's not: https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-ii-the-venezuelan-presidential-election/ https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-...
- Y_Y 10mo ago
  https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-ii-the-venezuelan-presidential-election/#comment-685473 https://terrytao.wordpress.com/2024/08/02/what-are-the-odds-... I don't think that blog says what you think it does. Tao is using a deliberately limited model to make a probablistic claim, not saying he'd make a 10⁸:1 bet that the election was rigged. The election may well have been rigged anyway, it doesn't change the fact that Maduro was the one sitting in the president's chair and carrying out the president's duties.
kwanbix 10mo ago
He is not. He is as legit as Putin is. They fake elections.
- nullorempty 10mo ago
  Putin doesn't need to fake elections. His approval rating is very-very high. You need to be russian to know that.
  - kwanbix 10mo ago
    Why would he need to tamper with election if he has?

megous 10mo ago

Yeah, I'll defer judgement of this for 5 years, after we see: results in Venezuela. How this emboldens other wannabe agressors elsewhere in the world, and where the erosion of respect for rules of UN charter will lead. Until then, the only conclusion I’m comfortable drawing is this: anyone confidently declaring that kidnappings, bombings, and killings are great for democracy, without waiting to see if there are any real long-term benefits, isn’t offering serious analysis. They’re just enthusiastically clapping for violence and hoping history does the cleanup later.

ordinary 10mo ago
This careful response seems sensible at first blush. After all, maybe in 5 years things will be better for Venezuelans! On the other hand, maybe not. In my heart of hearts I believe the odds are not great, but in lieu of a time machine, I think we can do no better than call it 50:50 odds. In the meantime, though, this action is already having effects beyond the US and Venezuela. Withholding judgement until this conflict has fully played out carries with it an implicitly permission for similar actions in other places and situations. After all, maybe those will be for the better too! That's why I oppose this action. Not in support the Maduro regime, which in my view has little to nothing that's worth defending, but because of the precedent that it sets for future events. This is hardly the first time a nation has had its sovereignty violated by a stronger power, and I'm not so naive to believe that it will be the last if only enough people spoke out. But at the same time, I strongly believe that accepting it as something that's inevitable (or even good) will only make it happen more often.
fennecbutt 10mo ago
How about in 10-20 years when all of Venezuela's natural resources are owned by America "b-but muh job creators" minimum wages then all the big profits go offshore. Tale as old as time.

adhamsalama 10mo ago

How did that work out for Iraq? It wasn't a good day for the million Iraqi civilians that the US murdered.

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