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Americans can delete Italy. Venezuelans can't delete America. Yes, a bit of a one way street.
by sejje 10mo ago
Americans can delete Italy.
Venezuelans can't delete America.
Yes, a bit of a one way street.
- hermanzegerman 10mo agoIf Americans delete Italy they will be the Pariah of the world for a very long time
- sejje 10mo agoMaybe, but it's still the reason Italy can't bomb America. The rest of the world wouldn't do anything about it either, IMO. Just like they're doing for Ukraine now.
- hermanzegerman 10mo agoHundreds of billions in support, massively increased defense spending, and hefty sanctions are obviously nothing.. Also much more people have been to Italy,or at least know the country and it's culture compared to Ukraine. So the Fallout in Public Opinion would be way worse. China would also be salivating at an Opportunity to isolate the US, and that would be one presented on a silver platter
- stoneforger 10mo agoPublic opinion is dead, what matters is policy makers opinion on controlling financial interests in the West, and what the CCP politbureau thinks. One is a mongrel divisive semi-hereditary plutocracy, the other is a reimagined empire that clearly has a long game going. I don't think anyone cares for the public at large, at least to the extent the public doesn't get any wild ideas like having an opinion and expressing it with a pitchfork.
- sejje 10mo agoIf America decided to wipe Italy off the map, you would be happy for the UK to send some money? That would be enough? I don't think you can impose enough diplomatic sanctions on America to make us care, and certainly not enough to make up for deleting Italy.
- hermanzegerman 10mo agoIf you would be sanctioned into oblivion like North Korea, you would probably care at some point. Attacking one of the world largest Western economies, would turn the other ones against you
- sejje 10mo agoYeah, I would care, but like I said, don't think the Western countries can accomplish that. I'm just talking about reality. America can do pretty close to whatever it wants.
- trinix912 10mo agoChina doesn't like them, Russia doesn't like them, the EU would immediately pass sanctions as it is its own territory, who else is really left? Canada and Mexico?
- sejje 10mo agoCountries would be scrambling to team with the USA IMO. You see the same happen for obvious "bad actors" now. There's more than four non-European countries in the world, Christ. Also, I think America can make it on its own, no help. And still be a powerhouse. You don't have to agree.
- trinix912 10mo ago> Countries would be scrambling to team with the USA IMO. You see the same happen for obvious "bad actors" now. I honestly don't see that happening. Yes, there are Hungary and Poland, but if Italy - currently a US ally - got wiped off the map for some lame reason, why would or should anyone trust their alliance with the US? Non-EU European countries also have mixed feelings about the US (and the West in general). See Serbia for example. > Also, I think America can make it on its own, no help. And still be a powerhouse. You don't have to agree. Yes, I'll disagree. We once had the whole making-it-on-our-own story in many countries in Eastern Europe. There were numerous shortages of even the most basic household items like fabric softeners and coffee. Many of those countries even had some trade between each other (Comecon) but it wasn't enough and that was 50+ years ago when we weren't dependent on China for electronics and every other piece of plastic out there. The world is now more globalized and codependent than ever. You don't have to agree with me either.
- lisdexan 10mo agoWiping off Italy for no reason is enough to trigger a French nuclear response.
- sejje 10mo agoCan it hit us?
- vegabook 10mo agoAbsolutely. Submarine launched and with 10000km range it doesn’t even have to be in open seas. Now France would get obliterated too in response but we’re talking a scenario where the US has already « deleted » Italy so the game theory leans fatalistic
- t-3 10mo agoModern nukes explode high in the atmosphere, so "hitting" is not very difficult. They aren't exactly precision weapons.
- ceejayoz 10mo agoThey are quite precise - a hundred meters or so. Air bursts just do more damage.
- RcouF1uZ4gsC 10mo agoThat would result in the obliteration of France? You really think the French are going to sacrifice themselves to avenge the Italians?
- lisdexan 10mo ago>That would result in the obliteration of France? To be clear, if we are talking about a salt-the-earth level conventional bombing for pure annexation / genocide of a EU nation the French would: 1. Remind the US via diplomatic means that they have nuclear subs and the will to use them. 2. If ignored, select some non-mainland territory (PR or Hawaii) and make a ultimatum. Mention that if the US does not desist they will wipe it, but will not launch attacks on the continental US. 3. Repeat 2 until they stop or escalate. The French would absolutely do this, the thing you propose is so beyond the pale (even now) that the only conclusion is that the French would be next.
- anon291 10mo agoPariahship only really matter if you care. Look at both India and China. For the past 80 years countries cared about being pariahs because there was only one real country: the United States of America. Today, there are a handful of truly sovereign countries (America, China, India, Russia, Ukraine, Iran, North Korea) who will actually defend themselves without resorting to nominal allies . In the normal state of human affairs, being a pariah doesn't matter as long as your goals get done
- Lapra 10mo ago> Americans can delete Italy. Boy, Americans really do have an overinflated sense of their power.
- sejje 10mo agoWhat would actually happen?
- saubeidl 10mo agoFrench nukes would happen.
- Aloisius 10mo agoMutually assured destruction is still a thing. These hypotheticals aren't helpful though.
- saubeidl 10mo agoExactly. That's what protects the EU from this scenario.
- Aloisius 10mo agoIt limits both sides involved in a conflict from using nuclear weapons first. As history has clearly shown, it doesn't do much to prevent conventional wars, especially involving third parties. I don't think anyone in power truly believes that France would actually use nuclear weapons to protect Italy during a conventional war against a nuclear power when France itself isn't in danger - let alone in a war Italy started. That's a no-win scenario for France.
- saubeidl 10mo agoItaly isn't a third party. They're both EU states. French nuclear doctrine is specifically the only one with nuclear first strikes as response to conventional threats.
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