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Sounds like Russian leadership should have known they're not a match for Americans. A costly misjudgement.

• drysine 9mo ago
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  • emptyfile 9mo ago
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  • azan_ 9mo ago
    What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war and not Russia (or to reply in your tone - fans of Stalin)?
    • kelipso 9mo ago
      A lot of people do think exactly that.
    • drysine 9mo ago
      >What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war You could start by watching Bush Sr.'s speech in Kiev in 1991: "Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred".[0] Americans later did support them, of course. [1] Fast forward to 2014: "The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [2] Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [3] After overthrowing pro-Ukrainian president who was predominantly supported by the Eastern Ukraine, pro-Western Ukrainian nationalistic "government" started what they cynically called Anti-Terrorist Operation in the Eastern Ukraine [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahn... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_march_and_initial_clashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
      • azan_ 9mo ago
        I'm Polish, I know how Russians are, I do not need to watch American sources for this or to listen to Russian guy trying to shift blame from his country :)
        • drysine 9mo ago
          Why did you ask the questions if you react like this when you don't like the answer?
          • azan_ 9mo ago
            I know the answer - Russia invaded Ukraine unprovoked. Your answer is not really an answer - just rehash of russian propaganda.
            • drysine 9mo ago
              So why ask? To call facts described in English Wikipedia and Western media "Russian propaganda"?
    • drysine 9mo ago
      >or to reply in your tone - fans of Stalin You won't find any avenues in Russia named after Stalin. They were renamed after 1953 condemnation of Stalin's "cult of personality". Post-2014 regime in the Ukraine has renamed scores of streets after Ukrainian nationalists who collaborated with Nazis. The most cynical was the renaming of major avenue in Kiev leading to Babiy Yar (the place where thousands of Jews were massacred) to honor Bandera and the renaming of the avenue that used to honor Nikolai Vatutin[0], Soviet general who fought Nazis on the territory of Ukraine, after after Shukhevych[1], another Nazi collaborator and mass murderer. You can easily find the names of these despicable people in Google Maps on the maps of Kiev and many other Ukrainian cities. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vatutin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Vatutin [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Shukhevych
      • azan_ 9mo ago
        > You won't find any avenues in Russia named after Stalin. Don't know about avenues, but Russians unveiled new statue of Stalin in Moscow in 2025.
        • drysine 9mo ago
          Do we?
          • azan_ 9mo ago
            Yes, you do - https://apnews.com/article/stalin-statue-russia-ussr-putin-moscow-metro-7a5a425f9b1c6a7120b6345b5d150de3 https://apnews.com/article/stalin-statue-russia-ussr-putin-m...
            • drysine 9mo ago
              Deep underground on its historical place? I don't like it, not one bit, but is that all you could find in whole Russia? Meanwhile here is the list of the streets named after Bandera in the Ukraine: https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вулиця_Степана_Бандери https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Вулиця_Степана_Бандери