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>Venezuela is a hive of Russian, Chinese and Iranian activity in the Western Hemisphere. That is–long run–a problem for America. Hmm, the Ukraine is a hive of

by drysine 10mo ago

>Venezuela is a hive of Russian, Chinese and Iranian activity in the Western Hemisphere. That is–long run–a problem for America. Hmm, the Ukraine is a hive of American, British and German activity near Russian border. That is–long run–a problem for Russia. How does that sound?

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
> Ukraine is a hive of American, British and German activity near Russian border. That is–long run–a problem for Russia. How does that sound? Like a bad reason to go to war. Same here. I'm not justifying the war. I'm just saying the reasons are–or at least reasonably can be–more complicated than one dimension.
- drysine 10mo ago
  Bad or good, you call it a reason.
blfr 10mo ago
Sounds like Russian leadership should have known they're not a match for Americans. A costly misjudgement.
- drysine 10mo ago
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  - emptyfile 10mo ago
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  - azan_ 10mo ago
    What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war and not Russia (or to reply in your tone - fans of Stalin)?
    - kelipso 10mo ago
      A lot of people do think exactly that.
    - drysine 10mo ago
      >What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war You could start by watching Bush Sr.'s speech in Kiev in 1991: "Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred".[0] Americans later did support them, of course. [1] Fast forward to 2014: "The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [2] Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [3] After overthrowing pro-Ukrainian president who was predominantly supported by the Eastern Ukraine, pro-Western Ukrainian nationalistic "government" started what they cynically called Anti-Terrorist Operation in the Eastern Ukraine [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahn... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_march_and_initial_clashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
      - azan_ 10mo ago
        I'm Polish, I know how Russians are, I do not need to watch American sources for this or to listen to Russian guy trying to shift blame from his country :)
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by drysine 10mo ago

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago

> Ukraine is a hive of American, British and German activity near Russian border. That is–long run–a problem for Russia. How does that sound? Like a bad reason to go to war. Same here. I'm not justifying the war. I'm just saying the reasons are–or at least reasonably can be–more complicated than one dimension.

drysine 10mo ago
Bad or good, you call it a reason.

blfr 10mo ago

Sounds like Russian leadership should have known they're not a match for Americans. A costly misjudgement.

drysine 10mo ago
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- emptyfile 10mo ago
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- azan_ 10mo ago
  What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war and not Russia (or to reply in your tone - fans of Stalin)?
  - kelipso 10mo ago
    A lot of people do think exactly that.
  - drysine 10mo ago
    >What do you mean? Do you think that Ukrainian natonalists started the war You could start by watching Bush Sr.'s speech in Kiev in 1991: "Americans will not support those who seek independence in order to replace a far-off tyranny with a local despotism. They will not aid those who promote a suicidal nationalism based upon ethnic hatred".[0] Americans later did support them, of course. [1] Fast forward to 2014: "The night before the clashes, Right Sector called on all of its members to ready themselves for a "peace offensive" on 18 February. <...> That morning, around 20,000 demonstrators marched on the parliament building as that body was set to consider opposition demands for a new constitution and government. Around 09:45, the demonstrators broke through the police barricade of several personnel-transport trucks near the building of the Central Officers' Club of Ukraine and pushed the cordon of police aside. The clashes started after some two dozen demonstrators moved a police vehicle blocking their path to parliament." [2] Right Sector is "the right-wing, paramilitary confederation of several ultranationalist organizations" [3] After overthrowing pro-Ukrainian president who was predominantly supported by the Eastern Ukraine, pro-Western Ukrainian nationalistic "government" started what they cynically called Anti-Terrorist Operation in the Eastern Ukraine [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vkjxf76xRTw [1] https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12 https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahn... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_march_and_initial_clashes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolution_of_Dignity#Protest_... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_Sector
    - azan_ 10mo ago
      I'm Polish, I know how Russians are, I do not need to watch American sources for this or to listen to Russian guy trying to shift blame from his country :)
      - 10mo ago