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So the USA is officially a roque state internally and externally and was brought down by its very own law and order party. Poetic.

biggestlou 10mo ago
More rogue than ignoring the results of a presidential election?
- BoredPositron 10mo ago
  Invading a country is worse than having a constitutional crisis yes.
  - biggestlou 10mo ago
    So people should live under prima facie illegitimate governments forever with no recourse?
    - BoredPositron 10mo ago
      I bet the one that gets implemented by an invasion force will be great. It's a crisis that has to be handled internally by the populus of the country. Not by a country which leader implied he wants the natural resources of the country they are now "freeing from a dictatorship" or whatever cope you are coming up with in your mind.
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo ago
  If this results in Maduro leaving office with a small number of mostly military deaths, followed by the swift return of Venezuelan democracy, I would concede that the hawks made a good call this time. It is extraordinarily uncommon for US regime change wars to go that way and I don’t think this is going to be the exception. (E: Honesty compels me to come back and say that it is looking somewhat likely I was wrong and will have to concede to the hawks.)
MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
Here in middle Europe the rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States. I hear this everywhere, on the streets, at parties, at work. I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically. It’s going to be bumpy if/when it happens, but does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice. Everything else is doom.
- tguvot 10mo ago
  you ready to BDS all computers, good chunk of phones and a bunch of other tech ?
  - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
    You ready to hunt for your loved ones under burning piles of rubble? Nobody is going to be buying iPhones during a world war. Yes, Europeans will stop buying American stuff. It has already started to happen.
    - tguvot 10mo ago
      [flagged]
- throwaway2026-2 10mo ago
  I would say we are not a Democracy and it doesn't matter who we vote for. I think it will take a full on dollar collapse to end it, and I think Washington would sacrifice every one of us to not lose grip on power.
  - MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
    Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar…
JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
> USA is officially a roque state internally and externally All of the great powers are. So are most of the regional powers. It's basically the EU and Brazil hanging on to the old rules-based international order.
- BoredPositron 10mo ago
  Never thought that whataboutism was going to be the coping mechanism.
  - SpicyLemonZest 10mo ago
    It’s not a coping mechanism, it’s a reality-facing mechanism. What happens here and how the world responds both provides insight and will be a huge input into whether and how Xi Jinping decides to invade Taiwan.
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > Never thought that whataboutism was going to be the coping mechanism Not a coping mechanism and definitely not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. This doesn't make America special. America at least sometimes trying to uphold that system is what used to make it special. Now we're back to spheres-of-influence realpolitik.
cosmicgadget 10mo ago
Considering the former state AG lost the election to the felon facing two open-and-shut federal cases, I think the "law and order" label has to be retired. On the plus side, nothing here is permanent, this guy is out in just over three years. How much more damage could he possibly do?
- padjo 10mo ago
  An awful lot.
- LarsKrimi 10mo ago
  You really believe he will be out in three years? There's only one way he'll be out, and voting will not be part of that
  - cosmicgadget 10mo ago
    I do. Pretty certain he only ran to avoid being convicted in the Jan 6 and classified documents cases. Now he can pardon himself and even if the next DOJ prosecutes he can run out the clock. Why do you think he will try to stay in office? Cause he said he might?
    - testing22321 10mo ago
      Because he wants the power, and the money. No way in hell he goes out with regular old elections.
      - cosmicgadget 10mo ago
        That is a lot of certainty for your vague intuition about his desires three years from now. Money is no longer a concern and he seems to play a lot of golf for someone drunk on power.
    - LarsKrimi 10mo ago
      You think that he's afraid of going to prison only? Oh noo, house arrest in Mar-A-Lago for x amount of years due to "bad health". I think the man is severely and uncurably addicted. Got his ultimate high and will do anything and throw anyone or anything under the bus to maintain that. Why should he leave? Who would make him leave?

biggestlou 10mo ago

More rogue than ignoring the results of a presidential election?

BoredPositron 10mo ago
Invading a country is worse than having a constitutional crisis yes.
- biggestlou 10mo ago
  So people should live under prima facie illegitimate governments forever with no recourse?
  - BoredPositron 10mo ago
    I bet the one that gets implemented by an invasion force will be great. It's a crisis that has to be handled internally by the populus of the country. Not by a country which leader implied he wants the natural resources of the country they are now "freeing from a dictatorship" or whatever cope you are coming up with in your mind.
SpicyLemonZest 10mo ago
If this results in Maduro leaving office with a small number of mostly military deaths, followed by the swift return of Venezuelan democracy, I would concede that the hawks made a good call this time. It is extraordinarily uncommon for US regime change wars to go that way and I don’t think this is going to be the exception. (E: Honesty compels me to come back and say that it is looking somewhat likely I was wrong and will have to concede to the hawks.)

MomsAVoxell 10mo ago

Here in middle Europe the rumble is that it is time to BDS the United States. I hear this everywhere, on the streets, at parties, at work. I guess it’s the only way the American people will get a grip, if the rest of the world starts punishing the US and its allies economically. It’s going to be bumpy if/when it happens, but does anyone see any other way to reign in the warmongers? What say you, Americans? You are, after all, the only effective mechanism by which your own war mongers can be brought to justice. Everything else is doom.

tguvot 10mo ago
you ready to BDS all computers, good chunk of phones and a bunch of other tech ?
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  You ready to hunt for your loved ones under burning piles of rubble? Nobody is going to be buying iPhones during a world war. Yes, Europeans will stop buying American stuff. It has already started to happen.
  - tguvot 10mo ago
    [flagged]
throwaway2026-2 10mo ago
I would say we are not a Democracy and it doesn't matter who we vote for. I think it will take a full on dollar collapse to end it, and I think Washington would sacrifice every one of us to not lose grip on power.
- MomsAVoxell 10mo ago
  Perhaps Venezuela is just a reaction to the action that is already happening, namely a world-wide concerted effort to abandon the petrodollar…

JumpCrisscross 10mo ago

> USA is officially a roque state internally and externally All of the great powers are. So are most of the regional powers. It's basically the EU and Brazil hanging on to the old rules-based international order.

BoredPositron 10mo ago
Never thought that whataboutism was going to be the coping mechanism.
- SpicyLemonZest 10mo ago
  It’s not a coping mechanism, it’s a reality-facing mechanism. What happens here and how the world responds both provides insight and will be a huge input into whether and how Xi Jinping decides to invade Taiwan.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > Never thought that whataboutism was going to be the coping mechanism Not a coping mechanism and definitely not an excuse. Just a statement of reality. This doesn't make America special. America at least sometimes trying to uphold that system is what used to make it special. Now we're back to spheres-of-influence realpolitik.

cosmicgadget 10mo ago

Considering the former state AG lost the election to the felon facing two open-and-shut federal cases, I think the "law and order" label has to be retired. On the plus side, nothing here is permanent, this guy is out in just over three years. How much more damage could he possibly do?

padjo 10mo ago
An awful lot.
LarsKrimi 10mo ago
You really believe he will be out in three years? There's only one way he'll be out, and voting will not be part of that
- cosmicgadget 10mo ago
  I do. Pretty certain he only ran to avoid being convicted in the Jan 6 and classified documents cases. Now he can pardon himself and even if the next DOJ prosecutes he can run out the clock. Why do you think he will try to stay in office? Cause he said he might?
  - testing22321 10mo ago
    Because he wants the power, and the money. No way in hell he goes out with regular old elections.
    - cosmicgadget 10mo ago
      That is a lot of certainty for your vague intuition about his desires three years from now. Money is no longer a concern and he seems to play a lot of golf for someone drunk on power.
  - LarsKrimi 10mo ago
    You think that he's afraid of going to prison only? Oh noo, house arrest in Mar-A-Lago for x amount of years due to "bad health". I think the man is severely and uncurably addicted. Got his ultimate high and will do anything and throw anyone or anything under the bus to maintain that. Why should he leave? Who would make him leave?