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Grok Can't Apologize. So Why Do Headlines Keep Saying It Did?
- ninju 10mo agoThe fact that we have anthropomorphized AI systems (not just Grok) is because of the way in which we interact with these system with natural language.
- guywithahat 10mo agoThat's sort of my thought too. Grok can't apologize, but it also can't do anything without being told. A hammer can't apologize, but it also doesn't know the difference between hitting a nail or a person. Perhaps we could design a hammer that does less harm to a human but if it comes at the cost of being a worse hammer I don't want it
- WarOnPrivacy 10mo ago> Grok can't apologize, but it also can't do anything without being told. If you mean being told by the end user, this famously hasn't been the case. Dialing back the only restriction was enough for Grok to create nsfw material (w/o any request to create that). [Grok] didn’t hesitate to spit out fully uncensored topless videos of Taylor Swift the very first time I used it without me even specifically asking the bot to take her clothes off.
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- rowanG077 10mo agoThat sounds like weasel words. "without me even specifically asking the bot to take her clothes off." What did they ask? If they asked for sexy, revealing pictures or something in that direction I think Grok delivered what was asked.
- guywithahat 10mo agoHe turned on spicy mode, which was the NSFW image generator. As far as I can tell, it's back to producing "spicy" pics but won't produce genitals/actual nudity, what the user was describing seems to have been a now-patched bug where it was generating actual nudity in spicy mode
- roywiggins 10mo agoIt's 50-80% because they are RLHFed into talking with "I". This was far less of an issue when it was just GPT-3 in a completion UI. But people find LLMs trained to produce text that looks like it's coming from a personality to be more compelling: ChatGPT is when the tech exploded into popularity. LLMs that aren't chat tuned are just not as easy to anthropomorphize.
- biophysboy 10mo agoI really wish I could use custom products w/ RLHF turned off. I know that's not how it works, but the stupid marketing copy speak makes me use them less
- digiown 10mo agoIf you use the API directly via open webui, etc., it is not nearly as annoying. You can also system prompt it into sounding more reasonable.
- biophysboy 10mo agothanks for the rec
- Terr_ 10mo agoMy own minor attempt to hold back this tide involves urging everyone to imagine LLM exchanges a theater-play script document. The character's lines are not the author. Just imagine how different all this would be if every prompt contained something to make the character(s) obviously fictional, ex: "You are Count Dracula, dread lord of the night, and a visitor has the following question..." We hopefully wouldn't see mindless reports that "vampires are real now" or "Draculabot has developed coping mechanisms for the dark thirst, agrees to try tomato juice."
- lostmsu 10mo agoThat was accurate only before the instruction tuning.
- dfxm12 10mo ago[flagged]
- minimaxir 10mo agoThe real reason is because LLMs are a highly nuanced and technical topic that has been constantly evolving, but any attempt to suggest that LLMs require nuance is met with accusations of AI boosterism and are subsequently ignored. So journalists tend to go with Occam's Razor. I have tried to offer corrections to incorrect headlines and technical information about LLMs over the past few years but have stopped because I don't have the bandwidth to deal with the "so you support the plagiarism machine" comments every time.
- satisfice 10mo agoI understand LLMs, too. That doesn’t require me to accept AI fan boys who minimize and dismiss all the bullshit that LLMs spout.
- biophysboy 10mo agoI am really grateful I have a basic understanding of 1) how LLMs work, & 2) zero trust in tech marketing/branding. I would be a lot more afraid of the future otherwise. Its not surprising to me at all that people believe AI models are sentient and capable of apologies.
- WarOnPrivacy 10mo agoThe gist is down the page. I believe the assertion is sound and is worthy of consideration. Here’s the thing: Grok didn’t say anything. Grok didn’t blame anyone. Grok didn’t apologize. Grok can’t do any of these things, because Grok is not a sentient entity capable of speech acts, blame assignment, or remorse. What actually happened is that a user prompted Grok to generate text about the incident. The chatbot then produced a word sequence that pattern-matched to what an apology might sound like, because that’s what large language models do. They predict statistically likely next tokens based on their training data. When you ask an LLM to write an apology, it writes something that looks like an apology. That’s not the same as actually apologizing.
- ares623 10mo agoJust like human CEOs /s
- afavour 10mo agoUnfortunately the discussion has been flagged. As is often the case.
- ryandrake 10mo agoThis is to be expected here, unfortunately. Any article that reveals anything bad about a Musk-run company will get instantly flagged. Sometimes the mods will show up and correct it, but by then the damage is done--the article has been wiped off the front page and it's Mission Accomplished for the flaggers.
- Havoc 10mo agoPretty wild that xAI decided to simply not comment on what seems like a pretty sizable fuckup
- r0ckarong 10mo agoBecause we live in a technofeudalist hellscape where the media is owned by the people who profit from out oppression.
- chopete3 10mo ago>>> strangers were replying to women’s photos and asking Grok, the platform’s built-in AI chatbot, to “remove her clothes” or “put her in a bikini.” And Grok was doing it. Publicly. In the replies. For everyone to see. Wow. Thats some really creepy behavior people are choosing to show off publicly. Grok needs some tighter gaurdrails to prevent abuse.