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Everyone already knows! HPV vaccination leads to massive reduction in nasopharyngeal, penile and rectal cancer in men. The focus of messaging around HPV vacci
by Traubenfuchs 10mo ago
Everyone already knows!
HPV vaccination leads to massive reduction in nasopharyngeal, penile and rectal cancer in men.
The focus of messaging around HPV vaccination on ovarian cancer, female fertility and the age limitations for recommendations / free vaccination in some places are nothing short of a massive public health failure and almost scandal.
Just truthfully tell the boys their dicks might fall off and see how all of them quicklky flock to the vaccine.
- blell 10mo ago[flagged]
- spiderfarmer 10mo ago[dead]
- nephihaha 10mo agoPromiscuity is not a healthy lifestyle and we need to stop presenting it as one. The AIDS crisis of the 1980s should have been enough of a warning. If people don't sleep around then HPV's spread will be much reduced and they will be much less likely to catch other STIs.
- matthewmacleod 10mo agoThis adds nothing. It has been repeatedly shown that stupid abstinence-driven approaches to public health do not work. It’s equivalent to saying “maybe the obesity crisis would be solved if we all just ate less”. Moral crusades have zero place in public health and are actively harmful.
- bluGill 10mo agoThis isn't an abstinence driven approach it is a marry 'young' and then only that one partener for life.
- ulfw 10mo agoWhat a truly sad life
- nxm 10mo agoAnd yet countless couples followed this path in life and are happy
- tpm 10mo agoAnd countless couples followed this path in life and are not happy at all, and countless individuals can't for a variety of reasons follow this path. But public health advice should also be available to them.
- nephihaha 10mo agoPsychology is a whole other matter, but if you're talking about sleeping around like Bonnie Blue then it is a form of Russian roulette and is likely to result in physical health trouble. Especially if people are having unprotected sex. HPV spreads through oral sex as well by the way.
- tokioyoyo 10mo agoIf people stopped driving, we would have zero car crashes.
- nephihaha 10mo ago[flagged]
- resoluteteeth 10mo agoA better comparison would be saying that we shouldn't have seat belts because people should be driving more carefully in the first place.
- nephihaha 10mo agoThat's a category error as well.
- LorenPechtel 10mo agoThe AIDS crisis happened because it was unknown and very stealthy--nobody knew there was a risk to be guarded against. And it certainly didn't help that because of the association with gays the government response was slow-rolled. Same thing we saw with Covid--the US response was slow-rolled because at first it looked like it was selecting for blue areas. Without the gays it might have gone a long time as a blood vector without being identified. When it was a "gay" disease it was busy killing old people who got transfusions but were never identified as having AIDS.
- jorvi 10mo ago> Just truthfully tell the boys their dicks might fall off and see how all of them quicklky flock to the vaccine. Every male above the age of 26 is locked out of the vaccine unless you pay out of pocket, which will be €300-€500 (or even higher). It's led to this really weird situation, where HPV vaccination for men is now recommended up to 40s but only covered up to 26yr old, and that recommendation upgrade happened relatively recently. Which means there's a whole generation of men who are told they should get the vaccine, who would have had covered access to the vaccine in the past, but are now expected to go out of pocket.
- tecleandor 10mo agoYep, I paid for mine. male/43/Spain. Almost €400. Two shots of the nonavalent vaccine, ~€190 each. For younger people it's three shots (second after two months, third after 6 months of the first one), now for older (over 30s or 40s, I can't remember exactly) it's recommended to get two shots (second after six months).
- nerdjon 10mo agoThis seems to be changing in some areas. I am in the US, in my 30's, Male and I only had my $30 copay for the first visit (nothing for my second shot)
- derbOac 10mo agoI'm in the US and have wanted to get it but perpetually have been older than the recommended cutoff. They have raised the age over and over again but I've always been older than it. I'm not sure why they don't just get rid of the age limit recommendations altogether.
- jobs_throwaway 10mo agoI am over 26, a man, and my insurance (Cigna) in the US covered it.
- tjpnz 10mo agoHow 40s?
- potato3732842 10mo agoYou could probably have gotten away with it a decade ago but that is a very poor plan in the far more critical of public health world of today. Statistically nobody even knows a guy who knows a guy who's dick fell off. Serious HPV problems for men are not even common enough to be viable urban legend. You have less to back up your DARE messaging than DARE did. It's just not gonna work. The nanosecond someone who took your bait shows up to be interviewed by some Youtube talking head about side effects the already severely damaged (compared to, IDK a decade ago) credibility of the medical establishment will go up in flames. You need to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth and let people make their own decisions. People don't "trust the experts" anymore at the scale you need for stuff like vaccination campaigns so you have to operate based on that reality.
- elric 10mo agoApparently HPV is responsible for some ~70% of throat cancers and ~30% of penile cancers in men. Seems pretty significant to me. If nobody knows a guy who knows a guy who had penile cancer, that's probably because people are very bad about talking about genital health. I'm sure some of the men in my life have issues with erectile dysfunction, enlarged prostates, hemmorrhoids, etc. But no one is talking about those issues.
- potato3732842 10mo agoAnd how many men get throat and penile cancers vs other cancers and health issues? There's a reason old men crack jokes about prostate health, erectile dysfunction and incontinence rather than their dicks falling off and are way more worried about colon cancer than rectal cancer. I didn't say it wasn't a significant source of cancer. I said that nobody knows a guy who knows a guy who's dick fell off or some other extreme outcome. Without enough of that to back up your messaging it just won't work. You need to be honest with people, not try and scare them like you're trying to keep school kids from smoking weed in 1990. The public messaging you're trying to engage in could perhaps have skated by in a less critical time but in the current environment it will be counterproductive. I don't want my kid or my grandkid to get measles or some other "of immediate consequence" disease because they go to school with a bunch of unvaccinated kids because you people sullied the reputation of public health via "just push the truth a little, it'll make them take the vaccine" type endeavors.
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