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by Etheryte 10mo ago

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Mawr 10mo ago
There's zero entitlement expressed by the parent, he's just trying to help the project, but is encountering unnecessary friction. It's not that he has some inner urge to contribute in some way, he just encountered a bug while using the software and wants to report it. The alternative isn't coding — it's no contribution at all.
- Etheryte 10mo ago
  I think this is exactly the point most people miss. No contribution is better than bad contribution. Most issues people file are bad. I previously worked at a major OSS company and the vast majority of bug reports are just noise. It takes time to sift through them and they add no value, just waste time. If people did less of that, that would be a good outcome, not a bad one. Sure, there's useful reports there sometimes, but it's more rare than you'd think. On top of that, many of those are dupes of issues we've already found and filed, just haven't had time to fix yet.
- ncruces 10mo ago
  Maintainers did a bunch of useful work for them and they refuse to report issues the way maintainers find the most useful, because it's a burden to help maintainers do all their free work.
- skywhopper 10mo ago
  How is “submit your issue to this nearly identical discussion tool in the same web app” a burden?
IshKebab 10mo ago
> No one is forcing you to use any of these projects Unless you only ever work on projects that you have full absolute control over (unlikely if you have a job) then yes they absolutely are.
johnfn 10mo ago
This is like being forced to pay 50 bucks to your apartment because someone else broke the door. Then when you complain about it people tell you you’re entitled!
- latexr 10mo ago
  But it’s not your apartment (project/repo), it’s someone else’s. If it were yours, the rules wouldn’t apply. You can clone the other person’s apartment for free and do whatever you like, though. Just don’t barge in to someone else’s apartment and demand they treat you, a stranger, like if it were yours.

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Mawr 10mo ago

There's zero entitlement expressed by the parent, he's just trying to help the project, but is encountering unnecessary friction. It's not that he has some inner urge to contribute in some way, he just encountered a bug while using the software and wants to report it. The alternative isn't coding — it's no contribution at all.

Etheryte 10mo ago
I think this is exactly the point most people miss. No contribution is better than bad contribution. Most issues people file are bad. I previously worked at a major OSS company and the vast majority of bug reports are just noise. It takes time to sift through them and they add no value, just waste time. If people did less of that, that would be a good outcome, not a bad one. Sure, there's useful reports there sometimes, but it's more rare than you'd think. On top of that, many of those are dupes of issues we've already found and filed, just haven't had time to fix yet.
ncruces 10mo ago
Maintainers did a bunch of useful work for them and they refuse to report issues the way maintainers find the most useful, because it's a burden to help maintainers do all their free work.
skywhopper 10mo ago
How is “submit your issue to this nearly identical discussion tool in the same web app” a burden?

IshKebab 10mo ago

> No one is forcing you to use any of these projects Unless you only ever work on projects that you have full absolute control over (unlikely if you have a job) then yes they absolutely are.

johnfn 10mo ago

This is like being forced to pay 50 bucks to your apartment because someone else broke the door. Then when you complain about it people tell you you’re entitled!

latexr 10mo ago
But it’s not your apartment (project/repo), it’s someone else’s. If it were yours, the rules wouldn’t apply. You can clone the other person’s apartment for free and do whatever you like, though. Just don’t barge in to someone else’s apartment and demand they treat you, a stranger, like if it were yours.