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You put mines and wait. We need to stop with “what if escalation” mantra when it was always Russians escalating.

nradov 10mo ago
Put mines where? How do you prevent neutral vessels from hitting them? What happens when they inevitably break loose in a storm and drift away? Naval mines are quite effective for closing down a body of water in an unrestricted hot war but we haven't reached that stage yet. EU and NATO countries still want to be able to use the Baltic Sea and Gulf of Finland for their own purposes. You haven't really thought this plan through.
- dzhiurgis 10mo ago
  Smart mines. There are thousands of them deployed already.
  - nradov 10mo ago
    Huh? What are you even talking about? Which models specifically? And how sure are you that they can reliably discriminate between Russian vessels versus others that look and sound identical? You haven't really thought this plan through.
    - lostlogin 10mo ago
      > And how sure are you that they can reliably discriminate between Russian vessels versus others that look and sound identical? Based on recent events, even people struggle to tell what is Russian and what isn’t. These smart mines might solve that? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/us/politics/russia-oil-tanker-venezuela.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/us/politics/russia-oil-ta...
      - nradov 10mo ago
        No, smart mines won't solve that. I can't fathom where this fantasy is coming from. It's totally disconnected from the reality of current mine technology.
        dzhiurgis 10mo ago
        This is deployed in baltic already https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-download/Weapon-Ammmunition/Sea-mines/ASTERIA-new-gen-smart-multi-influence-sea-mine.pdf https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-dow...
        nradov 10mo ago
        What's your point? Those weapons don't have the ability to reliably distinguish Russian shadow fleet vessels from others.

nradov 10mo ago

Put mines where? How do you prevent neutral vessels from hitting them? What happens when they inevitably break loose in a storm and drift away? Naval mines are quite effective for closing down a body of water in an unrestricted hot war but we haven't reached that stage yet. EU and NATO countries still want to be able to use the Baltic Sea and Gulf of Finland for their own purposes. You haven't really thought this plan through.

dzhiurgis 10mo ago
Smart mines. There are thousands of them deployed already.
- nradov 10mo ago
  Huh? What are you even talking about? Which models specifically? And how sure are you that they can reliably discriminate between Russian vessels versus others that look and sound identical? You haven't really thought this plan through.
  - lostlogin 10mo ago
    > And how sure are you that they can reliably discriminate between Russian vessels versus others that look and sound identical? Based on recent events, even people struggle to tell what is Russian and what isn’t. These smart mines might solve that? https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/us/politics/russia-oil-tanker-venezuela.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/us/politics/russia-oil-ta...
    - nradov 10mo ago
      No, smart mines won't solve that. I can't fathom where this fantasy is coming from. It's totally disconnected from the reality of current mine technology.
      - dzhiurgis 10mo ago
        This is deployed in baltic already https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-download/Weapon-Ammmunition/Sea-mines/ASTERIA-new-gen-smart-multi-influence-sea-mine.pdf https://www.rheinmetall.com/Rheinmetall%20Group/brochure-dow...
        nradov 10mo ago
        What's your point? Those weapons don't have the ability to reliably distinguish Russian shadow fleet vessels from others.