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And then NATO will obliterate Russia's Baltic fleet before the sun rises.
by miohtama 10mo ago
And then NATO will obliterate Russia's Baltic fleet before the sun rises.
- dmitrygr 10mo agoA hot NATO-Russia engagement ends with a few sunrises at 3am all over Europe, USA, and Russia. Not a thing to joke about or cheer.
- actionfromafar 10mo agoJust bend over for Putins liberators then. There’s nothing that can be done. Let them take what they want? No thanks.
- andrepd 10mo agoBy definition anything is preferable to global nuclear holocaust, so I'm not sure where you want to go with your argument.
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- actionfromafar 10mo agoI am glad you didn’t run the Cold War. Edit: by that I mean, with that attitude we would just have never developed nukes, or given the nukes to the Russians preemptively, because who wants nuclear war, right? Anything is better than that.
- Sabinus 10mo agoCan I have your house if I threaten to nuke you? Assume I have a nuke. How about your wife? If the nuke threat isn't reasonable and proportional then you must ignore it. Nukes are for existential risks. Which is 1) enemy nukes, and 2) invasion of the capital. Anything else is bluster and coercion.
- mmooss 10mo agoIf your plan is one that ends with the end of the world and billions dead, it's a bad plan. Attacking strawpersons doesn't make it better. You need a better plan.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago> one that ends with the end of the world and billions dead The point is it doesn’t. Ukraine is on its way to wiping out Russia’s Black Sea Fleet. It’s pure posturing to pretend Moscow is stupid enough to end its existence over a naval battle, much less simply credible threats of one.
- mmooss 10mo ago> The point is it doesn’t. That statement doesn't really amount to much given the risk. I think we need something far more convincing; and many experts clearly think nuclear war is a risk.
- Sabinus 10mo agoImagine Trump threatens to nuke Russia if they don't leave Ukraine tomorrow, according to your logic they shouldn't run the risk of a nuclear exchange and Russia should retreat. Is this correct?
- JumpCrisscross 10mo agoSpot on. Recognising Putin’s fake lines normalizes a nuclear response to conventional tactics. That path opens to a future where it would be irrational not to constantly threaten nuclear holocaust for minor military advantage. And in that world, someone will eventually miscalculate.
- mmooss 10mo agoAnd Russia could threaten to nuke the US unless the US surrendered Poland. Obviously, the hypotheticals are absurd and flawed.
- ericmay 10mo agoWell maybe the Russians should stop joking about it if it’s so serious. How many times do I have to hear from Medvedev about how Russia will rain nuclear hellfire on London? Fuck around, you’ll find out. These guys are wimps. If they want to end the world, so be it. China would be destroyed too.
- 9dev 10mo agoAll the while his very own daughter lives in London. These threats are really just that, nothing to take overly serious.
- dmitrygr 10mo ago“ If they want to end the world, so be it.” This is not a way rational adults make decisions. I truly hope you are not a voter in any democratic nuclear-armed country.
- flyinglizard 10mo agoThe best way to avoid confrontation is to have an irrational adult at the helm, then all calculated escalation bets are off and you tend to just not play.
- pohl 10mo agoWe’ve got one of those in the US but it turns out the tradeoffs are terrible.
- ericmay 10mo agoYou’re not thinking about things clearly. You can’t live as a hostage. Otherwise “do what we say or nukes” until you wind up a slave. Better off dead. If Russia doesn’t like it they can stop with the dumb threats.
- dmitrygr 10mo agoHappy to suggest some books on how cold War was actually navigated by both parties without destroying the planet. Not to spoil the ending, but at no point in time was "if we do this and then they blow us all up, so be it" a strategy
- hobobaggins 10mo agoSaber rattling and nuclear threats always benefits someone.. who?
- thrownato 10mo agoI'm not sure the Motherland is really all that strong these days, Dmitry.
- rolph 10mo agocareful, Brigadier they can introduce a foriegn substance into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard core commie works.
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- cosmicgadget 10mo agoYou'd think their escalation threshold would be something a bit more existential than a few more rustbuckets at the bottom of the ocean.
- TulliusCicero 10mo agoRemember when invading Russian territory was a red line that could cause a nuclear retaliation? And then Ukraine went into Russia and Russia responded with a pretty bog standard conventional force? Russia isn't gonna fling nukes if the West doesn't first. Putin and co have no interest in Moscow being glassed.
- DANmode 10mo agoBut Ukraine isn’t NATO. Red line still pretty intact.
- monerozcash 10mo agoThe stated Russian doctrine doesn't really explicitly call for a nuclear response to a naval conflict in the gulf of Finland.
- DANmode 10mo agoI’m not following.
- lostlogin 10mo ago> And then Ukraine went into Russia and Russia responded with a pretty bog standard conventional force? Standard North Koreans? Your point stands but Russia is happy to drag in anyone it can. The US and EU letting Ukraine bleed out is shameful.
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