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I think EU/NA residents are a little naive on how much Chinese cars are dominating the market. Chinese cars don't sell just in China. They utterly dominate glob

I think EU/NA residents are a little naive on how much Chinese cars are dominating the market. Chinese cars don't sell just in China. They utterly dominate globally outside of EU/NA where they face extreme tariffs. To the point where certain cars that you'd say were American (eg. Tesla) actually make most of their cars in China. Right now around the world in non EU/NA countries Tesla's a bit on the nose. All Tesla's in Australia are Chinese made regardless but it's then a choice of Chinese made Tesla vs Chinese made BYD and the BYDs are by all reports excellent cars. PS to Canadians: You could be paying ~50% less for the same car, even same model to same model by allowing Chinese made cars in and it'd help you screw over a country that threatened you.

embedding-shape 9mo ago
> They utterly dominate globally outside of EU/NA where they face extreme tariffs. Even inside of EU, seemingly BYD have reasonable prices, especially compared to their EU competitors. I'm an current Audi owner in Spain, who is currently very close of getting a BYD DM-i Touring, and compared to what I would get from Audi for the same price, BYD still offers a lot more in everything except "nice steering feeling", at least from what I've gathered from my test drives.
- eisa01 9mo ago
  That's because the car lobby only cared about electric vehicle tariffs, the petrol cars from China are tax free (There's also anti-dumping tariffs on electric bikes from China, I wonder if it's the same lobby...)
- t0mas88 9mo ago
  As a long term BMW driver instead of Audi I have the same. I'm swapping one of my two BMWs for a Model Y Premium. Also tried the BYD 7 but the Model Y felt nicer to drive and with more space. The BMW iX1 is disappointing in range, interior luxury and power. It's below an older 6 series (that I'm switching from), and much less powerful than a Model Y AWD. No idea why BMW thinks they can price it like they do. The other option was the BMW i5 Touring but it's more expensive and feels "old" already.
- andsoitis 9mo ago
  > offers a lot more in everything except "nice steering feeling" Isn’t it wise to prefer a nice steering feeling? Your body is, after all, going to be feeling it every time you drive.
  - embedding-shape 9mo ago
    There are lots of choices that go into choosing a car, not just feeling of the steering, although it's very important (for me at least). Not to mention I'm not the only person in the car, and the passenger experience is important too. Almost more importantly, the BYD I'm looking at have AC inside of the seat, which if I want to have a new Audi with that, it's a big price change, and with BYD it's a smaller change. Same goes for many features between them, which makes it look like if you want the same amount of features in an Audi as I'd get with a BYD, you're looking at almost double the price.
- sowbug 9mo ago
  Even inside of EU, seemingly BYD have reasonable prices, especially compared to their EU competitors. This will usually be the case, because domestic manufacturers raise prices once tariffs (import taxes) on foreign manufacturers are imposed. This is also why import taxes are so hard to eliminate once they're introduced: domestic manufacturers get used to the gratuitous revenue cushion, and the government gets used to the gratuitous tax cushion. Meanwhile consumers wonder why everything has gotten so expensive.
greggoB 9mo ago
Your entire comment reads a bit like an ad for Chinese cars, conveniently omitting the damage these automakers are doing to the global car industry by dumping cheap supply wherever they can to secure market share, all enabled by heavy state subsidies. [0] > PS to Canadians: You could be paying ~50% less for the same car, even same model to same model by allowing Chinese made cars in and it'd help you screw over a country that threatened you. Because given the chance, China 100% would never do the same (or worse). [0] https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dilemma-subsidized-yet-striking https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dil...
- interactivecode 9mo ago
  Are the big capitalist car companies scared of some strong competition? Maybe they should innovate instead of lobby against international competition
- swarnie 9mo ago
  Lets assume all this is true, why should i be concerned about it? If the Chinese tax payer is going to help me buy a new car then thanks, my own government isn't going to do that.
  - azinman2 9mo ago
    Because over time when your own industries suffer and then become jobless, your country is less secure and wealthy.
  - skeeter2020 9mo ago
    The Chinese tax payer isn't voluntarily helping you though, it's China's forced resource extraction from its own citizens (wage and QoL suppression), to maintain a stranglehold on global manufacturing. Everybody (except your specific car purchase) would be better off if they used these resources domestically. Do you think they'll ever want payback? if not from you, then from the next generations.
    - 9mo ago
DustinEchoes 9mo ago
> PS to Canadians: You could be paying ~50% less for the same car, even same model to same model by allowing Chinese made cars in and it'd help you screw over a country that threatened you. The sheer irony of an Australian saying this! I mean you’re in danger, dude! https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/24/world/china-live-fire-drills-rattle-nz-aus-intl-hnk https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/24/world/china-live-fire-drills-... The naivety of the comments here is just astonishing.
Guid_NewGuid 9mo ago
Correct, in every thread about BYD or other car manufacturers people seem to forget about the other 7.5 billion people in the world outside of the US and Europe. Sure the US' broken dealership laws and red-scare tantrums will stop these cars selling there, and in their economic satraps, but for the global majority countries there's no such barrier.

embedding-shape 9mo ago

> They utterly dominate globally outside of EU/NA where they face extreme tariffs. Even inside of EU, seemingly BYD have reasonable prices, especially compared to their EU competitors. I'm an current Audi owner in Spain, who is currently very close of getting a BYD DM-i Touring, and compared to what I would get from Audi for the same price, BYD still offers a lot more in everything except "nice steering feeling", at least from what I've gathered from my test drives.

eisa01 9mo ago
That's because the car lobby only cared about electric vehicle tariffs, the petrol cars from China are tax free (There's also anti-dumping tariffs on electric bikes from China, I wonder if it's the same lobby...)
t0mas88 9mo ago
As a long term BMW driver instead of Audi I have the same. I'm swapping one of my two BMWs for a Model Y Premium. Also tried the BYD 7 but the Model Y felt nicer to drive and with more space. The BMW iX1 is disappointing in range, interior luxury and power. It's below an older 6 series (that I'm switching from), and much less powerful than a Model Y AWD. No idea why BMW thinks they can price it like they do. The other option was the BMW i5 Touring but it's more expensive and feels "old" already.
andsoitis 9mo ago
> offers a lot more in everything except "nice steering feeling" Isn’t it wise to prefer a nice steering feeling? Your body is, after all, going to be feeling it every time you drive.
- embedding-shape 9mo ago
  There are lots of choices that go into choosing a car, not just feeling of the steering, although it's very important (for me at least). Not to mention I'm not the only person in the car, and the passenger experience is important too. Almost more importantly, the BYD I'm looking at have AC inside of the seat, which if I want to have a new Audi with that, it's a big price change, and with BYD it's a smaller change. Same goes for many features between them, which makes it look like if you want the same amount of features in an Audi as I'd get with a BYD, you're looking at almost double the price.
sowbug 9mo ago
Even inside of EU, seemingly BYD have reasonable prices, especially compared to their EU competitors. This will usually be the case, because domestic manufacturers raise prices once tariffs (import taxes) on foreign manufacturers are imposed. This is also why import taxes are so hard to eliminate once they're introduced: domestic manufacturers get used to the gratuitous revenue cushion, and the government gets used to the gratuitous tax cushion. Meanwhile consumers wonder why everything has gotten so expensive.

greggoB 9mo ago

Your entire comment reads a bit like an ad for Chinese cars, conveniently omitting the damage these automakers are doing to the global car industry by dumping cheap supply wherever they can to secure market share, all enabled by heavy state subsidies. [0] > PS to Canadians: You could be paying ~50% less for the same car, even same model to same model by allowing Chinese made cars in and it'd help you screw over a country that threatened you. Because given the chance, China 100% would never do the same (or worse). [0] https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dilemma-subsidized-yet-striking https://www.csis.org/blogs/trustee-china-hand/chinese-ev-dil...

interactivecode 9mo ago
Are the big capitalist car companies scared of some strong competition? Maybe they should innovate instead of lobby against international competition
swarnie 9mo ago
Lets assume all this is true, why should i be concerned about it? If the Chinese tax payer is going to help me buy a new car then thanks, my own government isn't going to do that.
- azinman2 9mo ago
  Because over time when your own industries suffer and then become jobless, your country is less secure and wealthy.
- skeeter2020 9mo ago
  The Chinese tax payer isn't voluntarily helping you though, it's China's forced resource extraction from its own citizens (wage and QoL suppression), to maintain a stranglehold on global manufacturing. Everybody (except your specific car purchase) would be better off if they used these resources domestically. Do you think they'll ever want payback? if not from you, then from the next generations.
  - 9mo ago

DustinEchoes 9mo ago

> PS to Canadians: You could be paying ~50% less for the same car, even same model to same model by allowing Chinese made cars in and it'd help you screw over a country that threatened you. The sheer irony of an Australian saying this! I mean you’re in danger, dude! https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/24/world/china-live-fire-drills-rattle-nz-aus-intl-hnk https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/24/world/china-live-fire-drills-... The naivety of the comments here is just astonishing.

Guid_NewGuid 9mo ago

Correct, in every thread about BYD or other car manufacturers people seem to forget about the other 7.5 billion people in the world outside of the US and Europe. Sure the US' broken dealership laws and red-scare tantrums will stop these cars selling there, and in their economic satraps, but for the global majority countries there's no such barrier.