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Making Magic Leap past Nvidia's secure bootchain and breaking Tesla Autopilots
- cj 9mo agoHuh, I thought Magic Leap went out of business. Didn't know they were still around!
- GenericDev 9mo agoUnfortunately they are. They're a former shell of what they were. I think they're changing their focus to lenses or something. Last I heard they're partnering with Google and it's absolute ass. The company is effectively dead and being carved out for parts by Google is my take. It's a real bummer because they were the only company I was actually interested in seeing pursue Augmented Reality. Now it's literally the most evil companies Meta, Google, and Apple. The 90s optimism of future tech is dead and all that's left is whatever this is.
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- fredoralive 9mo agoDon’t be so harsh, at least we got the Steam Deck out of all this.
- DonHopkins 9mo agoIn the same sense that we also got [total surrealistic non sequitur] out of it -- no causal connection. Cocaine addled money laundering sexist nepotistic bro culture deserves all the harshness it gets. I dare you to waste 6:17 minutes of your life that you will never get back watching this, and tell me they didn't spend a huge chunk of their investor's money on cocaine. The synthesis of imagination: Rony Abovitz and Magic Leap at TEDxSarasota: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8J5BWL8oJY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8J5BWL8oJY >Surprises abound in this multimedia, surrealist talk/performance by Rony Abovitz and Magic Leap at TEDxSarasota. Rony is a recognized innovator and entrepreneur, having co-founded the pioneering robotics company, MAKO Surgical Corp, which was recognized by Deloitte as the #1 fastest growing tech company in North America in 2011. Part of TEDxSarasota's inaugural conference held on 12/12/12 with the theme "Creativity Matters" at the Historic Asolo Theatre in Sarasota, Florida.
- mrguyorama 9mo agoWhat connection do you believe exists between the Magic Leap company and the Valve steam deck?
- fredoralive 9mo agoI’m referring to the fact that there is strong speculation that the Steam Deck(Mk 1 /LCD) SOC was originally commissioned by Magic Leap for their second generation unit, but when the first generation didn’t have whales leaping from the floor…
- Analemma_ 9mo agoYour sympathy is severely misplaced. Magic Leap was Theranos-sized fraud from the beginning: they never had the goods, put out a whole bunch of misleading hype to persuade consumers and gullible investors that they had the goods [0], and eventually it caught up to them. Good riddance. [0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9r2Z5v_E9o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9r2Z5v_E9o
- goldenarm 9mo agoI agree they hyped the product too much, but contrary to Theranos, they did ship two products that actually moved AR tech forward. They just weren't efficient enough and the product market fit wasn't there. Even Apple is failing at AR.
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- robert_foss 9mo agoSounds really interesting. CCC is an amazing event.
- willk 9mo agoHere is the talk if anyone is interested: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-making-the-magic-leap-past-nvidia-s-secure-bootchain-and-breaking-some-tesla-autopilots-along-the-way https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-making-the-magic-leap-past-nvidi...
- Graziano_M 9mo agoI hope Nvidia's new offerings (Orin, Thor, etc) don't have the same issue in their bootROM. That would be an incredibly expensive mistake.
- userbinator 9mo agoI hope they do, for those who want actual ownership of what they bought.
- bigyabai 9mo agoYeah, I'm sure it sucks for the OEM but my Nintendo Switch would be abandonware if not for Hekate bootloader.
- amelius 9mo agoJust curious, how fast can these embedded systems boot?
- saidinesh5 9mo agoIt really depends on the application. With the similar/even weaker socs (imx6 etc..), in the automotive domain, we used to target sub 5 second latency.. we had to get rid of things like even init and directly start the application.. Eg: 1.5 seconds here: https://youtu.be/QbEYhQIjlQc https://youtu.be/QbEYhQIjlQc
- opello 9mo agoThere's a popular slide deck[1] with common techniques for paring it back too. [1] https://bootlin.com/doc/training/boot-time/boot-time-slides.pdf https://bootlin.com/doc/training/boot-time/boot-time-slides....
- einsteinx2 9mo ago> The Tegra X2 is an SoC used in devices such as the Magic Leap One, and Tesla's Autopilot 2 & 2.5 promising a secure bootchain. I guess they didn’t learn from the Tegra X1 which was famously responsible for the boot rom exploit on the original model of the Nintendo Switch.
- Kototama 9mo agoThey did: "Elise [...] worked in the past on Nintendo Switch hacking" This was written on the original posted page (before the link was changed) when you commented.
- einsteinx2 9mo agoOh I meant Nvidia didn’t learn from that mistake, not the researcher. If I were Nvidia and had such a high profile hack of a customer’s product, I’d do everything in my power not to repeat it haha.
- einsteinx2 9mo agoHere’s the video of the talk. Not sure why the schedule page was linked. https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-making-the-magic-leap-past-nvidia-s-secure-bootchain-and-breaking-some-tesla-autopilots-along-the-way https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-making-the-magic-leap-past-nvidi...