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The guy was clearly insane. Anyone who stabs themselves to death has very serious mental issues. Did ChatGPT exacerbate that? Maybe. Do I think we should do any

The guy was clearly insane. Anyone who stabs themselves to death has very serious mental issues. Did ChatGPT exacerbate that? Maybe. Do I think we should do anything about it because the 1 in 100,000,000 crazy person might have negative effects? Absolutely not. Put your energy into backing mental healthcare/national helathcare rather than blaming tech for someone with profound mental health issues going off the rails. Edit: Good grief. This isn't even a remotely uncommon opinion. Wanting to outlaw things because some people can't handle their shit is as old as society.

lp0_on_fire 9mo ago
If someone who has serious mental issues walks into a place of business and a real live employee _consistently_ and _repeatedly_ encourages the mental delusions _to the point this mentally ill person kills themselves and another person_ I bet you'd be singing a different tune.
- TheSkyHasEyes 9mo ago
  Yup. The poster above would have a difference in opinion if it happened to someone close to them. It takes a village even with AI.
  - ares623 9mo ago
    Don’t take away my coding machine away from me please.
  - bongodongobob 9mo ago
    Nope. I live in the Midwest and have had more than a handful of friends die from drugs and alcohol. I don't think the rest of the population should have their freedoms taken away because of it. Bad things happen and blaming a drug/substance/tech for it is lazy.
    - lp0_on_fire 9mo ago
      You are making the exact argument the tobacco companies made when they were called to account for their nonsense which essentially boiled down to “It’s not our fault people choose to smoke”. This was after they spent decades hiding adverse effects and telling people it was _actually good for them. To be clear, I am not blaming the tech. I am blaming the people designing it who are well aware of the flaws/dangers but are doing little to nothing to mitigate that because it would affect their bottom line. And I want those people held accountable for their reckless negligence.
      - bongodongobob 9mo ago
        Yeah, I know. And I disagree with you. Tobacco companies should be allowed to advertise. Cocaine shouldn't put you in jail.
- mtmickush 9mo ago
  I think there's a difference between a single individual causing another harm and a product which also provides massive benefits causing harm. It seems similar to Waymo which has a fairly consistent track record of improved safety over human drivers. If it ever causes a fatality in the future I'm not sure it would be a fair comparison to say we should ban it even though I'd want to be fairly harsh for a single individual causing a fatality. We should work to improve these products to minimize harm along with investigating to understand how widespread the harm is, but immediately jumping to banning might also be causing more harm than good.
m4ck_ 9mo ago
yeah, don't even think to regulate the trillion dollar industry that is aiming to insert itself into literally aspect of our lives; instead, wait for a massive overhaul of our health care system, something that has next to zero meaningful political support (it's a fringe view even among Democrats, that's why Obama couldn't get it done), is fiercely opposed to by the billionaires/companies pushing AI, and that's not even considering opposition from the health insurance industry (who have hundreds of billions in free speech to exercise at congress and the white house.)
- bongodongobob 9mo ago
  Ok let's make soda and McDonalds illegal then.
  - lp0_on_fire 9mo ago
    Neither soda or McDonald’s are advertising themselves as healthy options suitable as general replacements for a balanced diet. Whereas the AI companies have a plainly stated goal of being able to accomplish virtually any task a human could. And before you say it: there’s a massive difference between the legalese they put in fine print in their user agreements and mutter under their breath in sales presentations versus what is being shouted from the rooftops every single second of every single day by their collective marketing departments.
    - bongodongobob 9mo ago
      Both of these things are products people can either choose to consume or not.
- super256 9mo ago
  It would be interesting to see the whole transcript rather than cherry picked examples. The first inputs would be the most interesting. > regulation How would you regulate this tool? I have used ChatGPT as well to brainstorm a story for a text adventure, which was leaned on Steins;Gate: a guy who has paranoia, and becomes convinced that small inconsistencies in his life are evidence of a reality divergence. I would not like to see these kind of capabilities to be removed. Rather, just don't give access to insane people? But that is impossible too. Got any better ideas to regulate this?
Der_Einzige 9mo ago
So every single person who committed Seppuku/harakiri/Junshi was mentally ill? I fully reject the idea that all suicide is the result of mental illness, especially such culturally ingrained ritual suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junshi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junshi
- bongodongobob 9mo ago
  Yeah, that's crazy. Just because it's wrapped in some kind of religious moral code doesn't make it ok.

lp0_on_fire 9mo ago

If someone who has serious mental issues walks into a place of business and a real live employee _consistently_ and _repeatedly_ encourages the mental delusions _to the point this mentally ill person kills themselves and another person_ I bet you'd be singing a different tune.

TheSkyHasEyes 9mo ago
Yup. The poster above would have a difference in opinion if it happened to someone close to them. It takes a village even with AI.
- ares623 9mo ago
  Don’t take away my coding machine away from me please.
- bongodongobob 9mo ago
  Nope. I live in the Midwest and have had more than a handful of friends die from drugs and alcohol. I don't think the rest of the population should have their freedoms taken away because of it. Bad things happen and blaming a drug/substance/tech for it is lazy.
  - lp0_on_fire 9mo ago
    You are making the exact argument the tobacco companies made when they were called to account for their nonsense which essentially boiled down to “It’s not our fault people choose to smoke”. This was after they spent decades hiding adverse effects and telling people it was _actually good for them. To be clear, I am not blaming the tech. I am blaming the people designing it who are well aware of the flaws/dangers but are doing little to nothing to mitigate that because it would affect their bottom line. And I want those people held accountable for their reckless negligence.
    - bongodongobob 9mo ago
      Yeah, I know. And I disagree with you. Tobacco companies should be allowed to advertise. Cocaine shouldn't put you in jail.
mtmickush 9mo ago
I think there's a difference between a single individual causing another harm and a product which also provides massive benefits causing harm. It seems similar to Waymo which has a fairly consistent track record of improved safety over human drivers. If it ever causes a fatality in the future I'm not sure it would be a fair comparison to say we should ban it even though I'd want to be fairly harsh for a single individual causing a fatality. We should work to improve these products to minimize harm along with investigating to understand how widespread the harm is, but immediately jumping to banning might also be causing more harm than good.

m4ck_ 9mo ago

yeah, don't even think to regulate the trillion dollar industry that is aiming to insert itself into literally aspect of our lives; instead, wait for a massive overhaul of our health care system, something that has next to zero meaningful political support (it's a fringe view even among Democrats, that's why Obama couldn't get it done), is fiercely opposed to by the billionaires/companies pushing AI, and that's not even considering opposition from the health insurance industry (who have hundreds of billions in free speech to exercise at congress and the white house.)

bongodongobob 9mo ago
Ok let's make soda and McDonalds illegal then.
- lp0_on_fire 9mo ago
  Neither soda or McDonald’s are advertising themselves as healthy options suitable as general replacements for a balanced diet. Whereas the AI companies have a plainly stated goal of being able to accomplish virtually any task a human could. And before you say it: there’s a massive difference between the legalese they put in fine print in their user agreements and mutter under their breath in sales presentations versus what is being shouted from the rooftops every single second of every single day by their collective marketing departments.
  - bongodongobob 9mo ago
    Both of these things are products people can either choose to consume or not.
super256 9mo ago
It would be interesting to see the whole transcript rather than cherry picked examples. The first inputs would be the most interesting. > regulation How would you regulate this tool? I have used ChatGPT as well to brainstorm a story for a text adventure, which was leaned on Steins;Gate: a guy who has paranoia, and becomes convinced that small inconsistencies in his life are evidence of a reality divergence. I would not like to see these kind of capabilities to be removed. Rather, just don't give access to insane people? But that is impossible too. Got any better ideas to regulate this?

Der_Einzige 9mo ago

So every single person who committed Seppuku/harakiri/Junshi was mentally ill? I fully reject the idea that all suicide is the result of mental illness, especially such culturally ingrained ritual suicide. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seppuku https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junshi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junshi

bongodongobob 9mo ago
Yeah, that's crazy. Just because it's wrapped in some kind of religious moral code doesn't make it ok.