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Frel free to name something concrete. Remember that Reddit has already been targetted by this in Australia.

snowpid 10mo ago
Does HN spread Fake News? Facebook and Youtube do. Do you feel bad after using HN? Insta and Facebook it happens. Does HN collect data to specify marketing? Every other Social Media do. This is hard to define in laws so e.g. the EU chooses to force concrete measures from the social media pages.
- AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
  > Does HN spread Fake News? Yes? Even newspapers do that. You have never had Gell-Mann when reading something here outside mainstream topics of interest? (e.g. almost anything from outside the US, or health related). Is this really the criteria you want to use to decide whether to require age checks for a website? > the EU chooses to force concrete measures from the social media pages. This just sidesteps the issue of how a website ends up in the list. Today, Reddit. Tomorrow, Discord. Then Github. Eventually, HN.
  - snowpid 10mo ago
    My news is almost outside of the US as I am not American. (wow this should be sent to r/USDefaultism). So let's say like this: I do read a lot outside of "American mainstream media". Most good working journalist try to verify claim and statements. This is the opposite to Fake News, Clickbait and Russian state propaganda spread in Social Media because its their business model.
- tekla 10mo ago
  > Does HN spread Fake News? Yes?
  - snowpid 10mo ago
    Give me an example of websites on HN, which spread fake news by purpose and it was allowed by the mods even they knew the news / artice / website was spreading fake news.
    - AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
      You have quite an unatenable position (you really think there have never been outright wrong headlines on HN?). Even this very article is (being very generous) clickbait.
      - snowpid 10mo ago
        Dear American, having a wrong headline is not Fake news (as I gave an adhoc definition). Give an better example.
        AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
        Ah of course, the very important difference between wrong and fake. How could I forget? And for the record, i am french...
    - zappb 10mo ago
      The Guardian.
immibis 10mo ago
Why do you think Reddit is any better than Instagram or X or TikTok, such that it doesn't deserve to be targeted according to the same principles?
- AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
  I used it to follow some functional programming discussions that had chosen it as it's main bulletin board, as did many other software projects. (I am not a fan of Reddit, which is why it is of paramount importance to me to be able to continue to browse it without an account.) But fine: if you think Reddit deserves the cut, please let me know why you think this site does not deserve it. Or why Discord (also used by a lot of software projects, to my annoyance ) does not deserve it. In a way that a "80 year old judge which hates computers" can understand. We should have kept to mailing lists, as I said many times.
  - immibis 10mo ago
    Reddit has pockets of sanity, but as a whole it is insane. The same is true of Instagram, TikTok, X, etc. If Hacker News doesn't improve its moderation (especially of fascist propaganda) I do think it should go the same way. HN openly flaunts the fact that it only follows American law - e.g. the fact that it completely ignores GDPR. It wouldn't happen until HN got big enough to make some politician pay attention though, and HN is kept relatively small by design.
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lm28469 10mo ago
Reddit is a cesspool of bots reposting the best performing images and rage bait of the last 5 years ad nauseam, that and porn makes up the bulk of the traffic. So yes, again, there is nothing in common between reddit and hn
- potato3732842 10mo ago
  Eh, with user links, user commentary, profiles and votes HN is "basically the same" on several key aspects and there is quite a bit of demographic overlap. It's just reached a very different equilibrium as to what goes on here due to the 2nd and 3rd tier aspects that are different. Take two cesspools (I'm not gonna pass up the chance to use the analogy, sorry not sorry). Assume they are both serving the same quantity and quality of people. Feed one a bunch of inorganic matter, laundry bleach and only the finest most heavy duty multi-ply shit tickets. Feed the other nothing that shouldn't go down a drain, no bleach and Scott 1-ply. The latter will perform way better and go way longer between needing service despite the only differences being minor differences that don't even matter in system design.
  - lm28469 10mo ago
    > Eh, with user links, user commentary, profiles and votes HN is "basically the same" Create a new account on both platform and check what you get by default... Another test you can do is let a 12 years old roam reddit and hackernews freely, I can guarantee you the results will not be "basically the same", they won't even be remotely similar in any way, shape or form Where is the infinite scroll ? Where are the images/videos ? We don't even have notifications ? "rewards" ?
- AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
  This lacks hindsight. Whatever you subjectively dislike about Reddit will certainly apply here, if not today then tomorrow. If you want proof, check out Slashdot. Also, no porn on /r/haskell.
  - lm28469 10mo ago

Does HN spread Fake News? Facebook and Youtube do. Do you feel bad after using HN? Insta and Facebook it happens. Does HN collect data to specify marketing? Every other Social Media do. This is hard to define in laws so e.g. the EU chooses to force concrete measures from the social media pages.

AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
> Does HN spread Fake News? Yes? Even newspapers do that. You have never had Gell-Mann when reading something here outside mainstream topics of interest? (e.g. almost anything from outside the US, or health related). Is this really the criteria you want to use to decide whether to require age checks for a website? > the EU chooses to force concrete measures from the social media pages. This just sidesteps the issue of how a website ends up in the list. Today, Reddit. Tomorrow, Discord. Then Github. Eventually, HN.
- snowpid 10mo ago
  My news is almost outside of the US as I am not American. (wow this should be sent to r/USDefaultism). So let's say like this: I do read a lot outside of "American mainstream media". Most good working journalist try to verify claim and statements. This is the opposite to Fake News, Clickbait and Russian state propaganda spread in Social Media because its their business model.
tekla 10mo ago
> Does HN spread Fake News? Yes?
- snowpid 10mo ago
  Give me an example of websites on HN, which spread fake news by purpose and it was allowed by the mods even they knew the news / artice / website was spreading fake news.
  - AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
    You have quite an unatenable position (you really think there have never been outright wrong headlines on HN?). Even this very article is (being very generous) clickbait.
    - snowpid 10mo ago
      Dear American, having a wrong headline is not Fake news (as I gave an adhoc definition). Give an better example.
      - AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
        Ah of course, the very important difference between wrong and fake. How could I forget? And for the record, i am french...
  - zappb 10mo ago
    The Guardian.

immibis 10mo ago

Why do you think Reddit is any better than Instagram or X or TikTok, such that it doesn't deserve to be targeted according to the same principles?

AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
I used it to follow some functional programming discussions that had chosen it as it's main bulletin board, as did many other software projects. (I am not a fan of Reddit, which is why it is of paramount importance to me to be able to continue to browse it without an account.) But fine: if you think Reddit deserves the cut, please let me know why you think this site does not deserve it. Or why Discord (also used by a lot of software projects, to my annoyance ) does not deserve it. In a way that a "80 year old judge which hates computers" can understand. We should have kept to mailing lists, as I said many times.
- immibis 10mo ago
  Reddit has pockets of sanity, but as a whole it is insane. The same is true of Instagram, TikTok, X, etc. If Hacker News doesn't improve its moderation (especially of fascist propaganda) I do think it should go the same way. HN openly flaunts the fact that it only follows American law - e.g. the fact that it completely ignores GDPR. It wouldn't happen until HN got big enough to make some politician pay attention though, and HN is kept relatively small by design.
  - deleted 10mo ago
    [deleted]

lm28469 10mo ago

Reddit is a cesspool of bots reposting the best performing images and rage bait of the last 5 years ad nauseam, that and porn makes up the bulk of the traffic. So yes, again, there is nothing in common between reddit and hn

potato3732842 10mo ago
Eh, with user links, user commentary, profiles and votes HN is "basically the same" on several key aspects and there is quite a bit of demographic overlap. It's just reached a very different equilibrium as to what goes on here due to the 2nd and 3rd tier aspects that are different. Take two cesspools (I'm not gonna pass up the chance to use the analogy, sorry not sorry). Assume they are both serving the same quantity and quality of people. Feed one a bunch of inorganic matter, laundry bleach and only the finest most heavy duty multi-ply shit tickets. Feed the other nothing that shouldn't go down a drain, no bleach and Scott 1-ply. The latter will perform way better and go way longer between needing service despite the only differences being minor differences that don't even matter in system design.
- lm28469 10mo ago
  > Eh, with user links, user commentary, profiles and votes HN is "basically the same" Create a new account on both platform and check what you get by default... Another test you can do is let a 12 years old roam reddit and hackernews freely, I can guarantee you the results will not be "basically the same", they won't even be remotely similar in any way, shape or form Where is the infinite scroll ? Where are the images/videos ? We don't even have notifications ? "rewards" ?
AshamedCaptain 10mo ago
This lacks hindsight. Whatever you subjectively dislike about Reddit will certainly apply here, if not today then tomorrow. If you want proof, check out Slashdot. Also, no porn on /r/haskell.
- lm28469 10mo ago