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"Filmmaker mode" is the industry's attempt at this. On supported TVs it's just another picture mode (like vivid or standard), but it disables all the junk the o

by robhlt 9mo ago

"Filmmaker mode" is the industry's attempt at this. On supported TVs it's just another picture mode (like vivid or standard), but it disables all the junk the other modes have enabled by default without wading though all the individual settings. I don't know how widely adopted it is though, but my LG OLED from 2020 has it.

jbaiter 9mo ago
Yup, it's great, at least for live action content. I've found that for Anime, a small amount of motion interpolation is absolutely needed on my OLED, otherwise the content has horrible judder.
- kachapopopow 9mo ago
  I always found that weird, anime relies on motion blur for smoothness when panning / scrolling motion interpolation works as an upgraded version of that... until it starts to interpolate actual animation
burnte 9mo ago
The problem with filmmaker mode is I don't trust it more than other modes. It would take no effort at all for a TV maker to start fiddling whit "filmmaker mode" to boost colors or something to "get an edge", then everyone does it, and we're back to where we started. I just turn them off and leave it that way. Companies have already proven time and again they'll make changes we don't like just because they can, so it's important to take every opportunity to prevent them even getting a chance.
- robhlt 9mo ago
  "Filmmaker mode" is a trademark of the UHD Alliance, so if TV makers want to deviate from the spec they can't call it "Filmmaker mode" anymore. There's a few different TV makers in the UHD Alliance so there's an incentive for the spec to not have wiggle room that one member could exploit to the determent of the others.
  - robotnikman 9mo ago
    Huh, I never knew this, they even have a website https://filmmakermode.com/ https://filmmakermode.com/ Good to know there seems to be an effort to keep some consistency.
  - Crontab 9mo ago
    That's cool info. Thanks!
- mkozlows 9mo ago
  It's true that Filmmaker Mode might at some point in the future be corrupted, but in the actual world of today, if you go to a TV and set it to Filmmaker Mode, it's going to move most things to correct settings, and all things to correct settings on at least some TVs. (The trickiest thing is actually brightness. LG originally used to set brightness to 100 nits in Filmmaker Mode for SDR, which is correct dark room behavior -- but a lot of people aren't in dark rooms and want brighter screens, so they changed it to be significantly brighter. Defensible, but it now means that if you are in a dark room, you have to look up which brightness level is close to 100 nits.)
gchamonlive 9mo ago
On my LG OLED I think it looks bad. Whites are off and I feel like the colours are squashed. Might be more accurate, but it's bad for me. I prefer to use standard, disable everything and put the white balance on neutral, neither cold nor warm.
- Nihilartikel 9mo ago
  I had just recently factory reset my samsung S90C QDOLED - and had to work through the annoying process of dialing the settings back to something sane and tasteful. Filmmaker mode only got it part of the way there. The white balance was still set to warm, and inexplicably HDR was static (ignoring the content 'hints'), and even then the contrast seemed off, and I had to set the dynamic contrast to 'low' (whatever that means) to keep everything from looking overly dark. It makes me wish that there was something like an industry standard 'calibrated' mode that everyone could target - let all the other garbage features be a divergence from that. Hell, there probably is, but they'd never suggest a consumer use that and not all of their value-add tackey DSP.
  - SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
    This is all correct. “Filmmaker Mode” on LG OLED was horrible. Yes, all of the “extra” features were off, but it was overly warm and unbalanced as hell. I either don’t understand “Filmmakers” or that mode is intended to be so bad that you will need to fix it yourself.
    - Tadpole9181 9mo ago
      Filmmaker is warm because it follows the standardized D6500 whitepoint. But that's the monitor whitepoint it is mastered against, and how it's intended to be seen. TV producers always set their sets to way higher by default because blue tones show off colors better. As a result of both that familiarity and the better saturation, most people don't like filmmaker when they try to use it at first. After a few weeks, though, you'll be wondering why you ever liked the oversaturated neons and severely off brightness curve of other modes. Or not, do whatever you want, it's your TV!
squeaky-clean 9mo ago
On my Samsung film mode has an insane amount of processing. Game Mode is the setting where the display is most true to what's being sent to it.
- sethhochberg 9mo ago
  Game mode being latency-optimized really is the saving grace in a market segment where the big brands try to keep hardware cost as cheap as possible. Sure, you _could_ have a game mode that does all of the fancy processing closer to real-time, but now you can't use a bargain-basement CPU.
- Avamander 9mo ago
  Not "Film mode", but "Filmmaker mode". The latter is a trademark with specific requirements. Game mode will indeed likely turn off any expensive latency-introducing processing but it's unlikely to provide the best color accuracy.
- account42 9mo ago
  On my Samsung OLED game mode has an annoying effect that turns (nearly) copletely black screens into gray smudge garbage that you can only turn down but not completely off, making that mode entirely useless.

by robhlt 9mo ago

jbaiter 9mo ago

Yup, it's great, at least for live action content. I've found that for Anime, a small amount of motion interpolation is absolutely needed on my OLED, otherwise the content has horrible judder.

kachapopopow 9mo ago
I always found that weird, anime relies on motion blur for smoothness when panning / scrolling motion interpolation works as an upgraded version of that... until it starts to interpolate actual animation

burnte 9mo ago

The problem with filmmaker mode is I don't trust it more than other modes. It would take no effort at all for a TV maker to start fiddling whit "filmmaker mode" to boost colors or something to "get an edge", then everyone does it, and we're back to where we started. I just turn them off and leave it that way. Companies have already proven time and again they'll make changes we don't like just because they can, so it's important to take every opportunity to prevent them even getting a chance.

robhlt 9mo ago
"Filmmaker mode" is a trademark of the UHD Alliance, so if TV makers want to deviate from the spec they can't call it "Filmmaker mode" anymore. There's a few different TV makers in the UHD Alliance so there's an incentive for the spec to not have wiggle room that one member could exploit to the determent of the others.
- robotnikman 9mo ago
  Huh, I never knew this, they even have a website https://filmmakermode.com/ https://filmmakermode.com/ Good to know there seems to be an effort to keep some consistency.
- Crontab 9mo ago
  That's cool info. Thanks!
mkozlows 9mo ago
It's true that Filmmaker Mode might at some point in the future be corrupted, but in the actual world of today, if you go to a TV and set it to Filmmaker Mode, it's going to move most things to correct settings, and all things to correct settings on at least some TVs. (The trickiest thing is actually brightness. LG originally used to set brightness to 100 nits in Filmmaker Mode for SDR, which is correct dark room behavior -- but a lot of people aren't in dark rooms and want brighter screens, so they changed it to be significantly brighter. Defensible, but it now means that if you are in a dark room, you have to look up which brightness level is close to 100 nits.)

gchamonlive 9mo ago

On my LG OLED I think it looks bad. Whites are off and I feel like the colours are squashed. Might be more accurate, but it's bad for me. I prefer to use standard, disable everything and put the white balance on neutral, neither cold nor warm.

Nihilartikel 9mo ago
I had just recently factory reset my samsung S90C QDOLED - and had to work through the annoying process of dialing the settings back to something sane and tasteful. Filmmaker mode only got it part of the way there. The white balance was still set to warm, and inexplicably HDR was static (ignoring the content 'hints'), and even then the contrast seemed off, and I had to set the dynamic contrast to 'low' (whatever that means) to keep everything from looking overly dark. It makes me wish that there was something like an industry standard 'calibrated' mode that everyone could target - let all the other garbage features be a divergence from that. Hell, there probably is, but they'd never suggest a consumer use that and not all of their value-add tackey DSP.
- SV_BubbleTime 9mo ago
  This is all correct. “Filmmaker Mode” on LG OLED was horrible. Yes, all of the “extra” features were off, but it was overly warm and unbalanced as hell. I either don’t understand “Filmmakers” or that mode is intended to be so bad that you will need to fix it yourself.
  - Tadpole9181 9mo ago
    Filmmaker is warm because it follows the standardized D6500 whitepoint. But that's the monitor whitepoint it is mastered against, and how it's intended to be seen. TV producers always set their sets to way higher by default because blue tones show off colors better. As a result of both that familiarity and the better saturation, most people don't like filmmaker when they try to use it at first. After a few weeks, though, you'll be wondering why you ever liked the oversaturated neons and severely off brightness curve of other modes. Or not, do whatever you want, it's your TV!

squeaky-clean 9mo ago

On my Samsung film mode has an insane amount of processing. Game Mode is the setting where the display is most true to what's being sent to it.

sethhochberg 9mo ago
Game mode being latency-optimized really is the saving grace in a market segment where the big brands try to keep hardware cost as cheap as possible. Sure, you _could_ have a game mode that does all of the fancy processing closer to real-time, but now you can't use a bargain-basement CPU.
Avamander 9mo ago
Not "Film mode", but "Filmmaker mode". The latter is a trademark with specific requirements. Game mode will indeed likely turn off any expensive latency-introducing processing but it's unlikely to provide the best color accuracy.
account42 9mo ago
On my Samsung OLED game mode has an annoying effect that turns (nearly) copletely black screens into gray smudge garbage that you can only turn down but not completely off, making that mode entirely useless.