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> So half of the defendants carried out the justice sought by the ICC on the other half. ...without trial. And assuming guilty and sentenced to death.
by sdeframond 10mo ago
> So half of the defendants carried out the justice sought by the ICC on the other half.
...without trial. And assuming guilty and sentenced to death.
- soldthat 10mo agoTrial by which court? This is standard rules of war. Soldiers don’t have to convene a court before shooting at enemy combatants.
- mrexcess 10mo ago[flagged]
- xvector 10mo ago> So was most of what was done on October 7th by Hamas... Yeah, I don't think mass executing partygoers at a music festival has anything to do with "the standard rules of war." Israel's response was obviously disproportionate but certainly fell within the standard conventions of warfare (e.g. executing enemy commanders being housed/protected by the populace is fairly standard.)
- mrexcess 10mo ago[dead]
- prmoustache 10mo agoUsing "partygoers" without mentionning such party happened on lands stolen with violence is a bit dishonest. Hamas is an indirect creation of Israel, they wouldn't exist if not for decade of violence and humiliation from Israel. In the same vein, the Likoud exist because of the PFLP and maintain its power thanks to the presence of Hamas. Both the extreme right in Israel and the Islamist movements in Palestine feed themselves and survive thanks to hatred and have no reason nor any wish to make this conflict stop. Netanyahu and his minions were probably laughing at the sights of the victims of october 7 knowing this would only help them.enforce their politics.
- will4274 10mo agoVirtually all lands on planet earth were stolen with violence, most of them many times over.
- _DeadFred_ 10mo agoThe Palestinian government Hamas broadcasting themselves kidnapping a 6 year old girl to the world is standard rules of war (let alone those much worse things they did that day, the kidnapping was just the first to show up on my feeds that day)? Why try to sanitize their unjustifiable behavior?
- mrexcess 10mo ago[dead]
- sdeframond 10mo ago> Trial by which court? Well, the ICC ? OP states that "one the defendants carried out the justice sought by the ICC". That's incorrect. One of the defendants went farther than any sentence the ICC would have decided. As you say, this is an act of war (killing ennemies), not an act of justice (trial and prosecution) .
- rounce 10mo agoIndeed, conflating execution without trial with ‘justice’ is utterly bizarre.
- soldthat 10mo agoThere are no trials in combat.
- lejalv 10mo agoThese answers are assuming that the individuals killed were also those responsible. With Israel's stranglehold on media access to Gaza (perhaps better: open hostility), we will likely never know who was killed and what were the charges against them.
- dlubarov 10mo agoResponsible for what? In war, enemies combatants aren't slain as punishment for crimes, but simply because they're enemy combatants. Likewise prisoners of war aren't (typically) detained on suspicion of crimes, they're detained simply for being enemy combatants.
- sdeframond 10mo agoIs there justice in war?
- rounce 10mo agoI was quite clearly responding to the GP’s assertion that some sort of ‘justice’ was carried out by one party on the other, which obviously isn’t remotely the case. You can save your cliched one liners.
- flyinglizard 10mo agoI think this comment shows how far removed is the modern person living in a sheltered, matcha-sipping western environment from actual human historical reality. Do you seriously suggest that during an active war one side would bring the other to trial rather than just destroy them?
- graemep 10mo agoI agree. Having lived with a civil war and with non-western roots I find the Western attitude to things like this to be hopelessly naive. It is the product of a golden age following the collapse of communism and the subsequent unrealistic "end of history" optimism.
- chimineycricket 10mo agoYou're missing the point, "justice sought by the ICC" implies that the ICC just wanted to execute them, which is obviously not true.
- rounce 10mo agoSo in the case of Sri Lanka, was the LLRC set up and subsequently criticised as a mechanism to lend legitimacy to the way in which government forces conducted operations against LTTE? If so, would its mere existence not indicate some level of societal buy-in to the idea that actions should take part according to some judicial form of 'justice'?
- graemep 10mo agoThe idea to enquire into whether actions were justified in the context of war. Very different from a criminal trial before actions are taken.
- kubb 10mo agoHave you heard about Nuremberg trials?
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