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One of the things I hope will come from the Trough of Disillusionment in cloud computing will be families running redundant file servers hosting the family phot

by hinkley 10mo ago

One of the things I hope will come from the Trough of Disillusionment in cloud computing will be families running redundant file servers hosting the family photos instead of doing everything on IG. Your three tech savvy family members should all have redundant copies of the photos of memaw’s wedding and Uncle Jim when he was 2 and looked exactly like your cousin’s second kid. I don’t need to see those. Your stalker ex boyfriend definitely doesn’t need to see those. It’s none of our goddamned business. Someone, I think WD? Already made a play at this but I think it fell on deaf ears and will have to be tried again after the hype cycle calms tf down.

Eisenstein 10mo ago
Too bad all of the RAM and NAND flash are going to be unaffordable for the next few years at least.
- hinkley 10mo ago
  Once you include internet latency hard drive latency isn’t that much worse. It won’t help but it won’t stop it.
  - kalleboo 10mo ago
    Hard disk drive prices are also soaring. Looking up a random WD drive: up 70% since July, a Seagate drive, up 50%
    - Dylan16807 10mo ago
      For $125, which is also about the price of one year of cloud storage, you can get a hard drive big enough to store half a million photos and also back up a million photos. It probably won't ever go over $200. And the hardware to serve that hard drive is somewhere between free and another hundred.
      - glitchcrab 10mo ago
        Sure, but then you're putting all your eggs in one basket (hard drive). If you really want to divest yourself of the cloud then you need to set things up in a redundant and fault-tolerant fashion. And at that point the outlay is much more than 'just a hard drive'.
        raddan 10mo ago
        Yes, you need two hard drives. If you’re really paranoid, use three.
        hinkley 10mo ago
        That was already covered in my top level comment though. Geographic redundancy not local mirroring.
        Dylan16807 10mo ago
        Did you skip the "back a million photos" part? That's at least 3 copies of every file, spread across your group. If you want maximum safety you can add a local backup too, which isn't much more money. You don't need to spend anything on fault tolerance. Your files should already be on multiple servers, but also if it goes down for a few days that isn't a big deal.
DrewADesign 10mo ago
My very vibes-based take is that setting up home servers is the dad jeans of tech hobbies. It's kind of arresting how bewildered many young people are when confronted with anything below the UI layer. I think peak tech savviness happened a bit younger than me: maybe mid-late millennial. After that you start getting into the iPad-from-birth generation for whom tech was rarely a challenge. Tech savviness among young folks feels more like it was in the mid-90s. They're infinity more online-savvy, no doubt, but when it comes to knowing anything about how that works, they're cooked. I do know some non-developer Gen Z folks that would set up minecraft servers on DO droplets, but I don't know of any that actually made their own and hosted it on their own network. Aside from more exposure to raw tech, the technology making the internet happen was a lot simpler back then, where servers were actually physical servers,and such. I was able to adopt the complexity progressively as it came into existence which is a lot easier with the base knowledge of how the building blocks worked.
- AtlasBarfed 10mo ago
  We still need a lot of plug and Play with home servers. In theory, AI should be good at helping building interfaces between cloud backups and home server apps. Because AI should be good at apis. In theory
  - hinkley 10mo ago
    I’d like a turnkey k3s and a 10” rack designed for consumers. Set up to host your Minecraft server, store your media, and be incrementally upgradeable.
- BrenBarn 10mo ago
  This is my impression as well. From what I've seen, many Gen Z people only loosely even think in terms of things like "files". They are used to integrations where everything just lives on some website or in a Google app and the way you locate things is by searching.
  - raddan 10mo ago
mikepurvis 10mo ago
I just set up a little cube server with a Mini-ITX board I had lying around. Overall I'm very happy with it, but right now it's basically just Unraid with the built-in containers running for Deluge, Jellyfin, and the Crafty minecraft server. I'd love for it to also be a backup of my whole Google Photos account (eg https://github.com/JakeWharton/docker-gphotos-sync https://github.com/JakeWharton/docker-gphotos-sync) but honestly I can't imagine trying to maintain an app on there that would actually be the first class storage/sync/presentation layer for my family.
- cyberax 10mo ago
  > I can't imagine trying to maintain an app on there that would actually be the first class storage/sync/presentation layer for my family. Immich exists. It really is missing only some editing functionality and some nice-to-have features from GPhotos like automatic panoramas. Other than that, it's superior to Google.
  - vachina 10mo ago
    Immich feels too heavy for my needs, so I wrote a single executable server that turns my photo directories into a photo gallery (https://github.com/yhling/go-web-image-gallery https://github.com/yhling/go-web-image-gallery) Photo ingestion is via regular samba uploads from my phone.
- esseph 10mo ago
  You might be shocked. Immich is amazing.
ExtraRoulette 10mo ago
I'm working on it! I have a little NUC that I'm learning Linux (Is that the proper term?) on. I plan to self host a few services for myself and host family photos on it someday. I'm going through a "Deep, Vast, Trough of Learning" at the moment :>

by hinkley 10mo ago

Eisenstein 10mo ago

Too bad all of the RAM and NAND flash are going to be unaffordable for the next few years at least.

hinkley 10mo ago
Once you include internet latency hard drive latency isn’t that much worse. It won’t help but it won’t stop it.
- kalleboo 10mo ago
  Hard disk drive prices are also soaring. Looking up a random WD drive: up 70% since July, a Seagate drive, up 50%
  - Dylan16807 10mo ago
    For $125, which is also about the price of one year of cloud storage, you can get a hard drive big enough to store half a million photos and also back up a million photos. It probably won't ever go over $200. And the hardware to serve that hard drive is somewhere between free and another hundred.
    - glitchcrab 10mo ago
      Sure, but then you're putting all your eggs in one basket (hard drive). If you really want to divest yourself of the cloud then you need to set things up in a redundant and fault-tolerant fashion. And at that point the outlay is much more than 'just a hard drive'.
      - raddan 10mo ago
        Yes, you need two hard drives. If you’re really paranoid, use three.
      - hinkley 10mo ago
        That was already covered in my top level comment though. Geographic redundancy not local mirroring.
      - Dylan16807 10mo ago
        Did you skip the "back a million photos" part? That's at least 3 copies of every file, spread across your group. If you want maximum safety you can add a local backup too, which isn't much more money. You don't need to spend anything on fault tolerance. Your files should already be on multiple servers, but also if it goes down for a few days that isn't a big deal.

DrewADesign 10mo ago

My very vibes-based take is that setting up home servers is the dad jeans of tech hobbies. It's kind of arresting how bewildered many young people are when confronted with anything below the UI layer. I think peak tech savviness happened a bit younger than me: maybe mid-late millennial. After that you start getting into the iPad-from-birth generation for whom tech was rarely a challenge. Tech savviness among young folks feels more like it was in the mid-90s. They're infinity more online-savvy, no doubt, but when it comes to knowing anything about how that works, they're cooked. I do know some non-developer Gen Z folks that would set up minecraft servers on DO droplets, but I don't know of any that actually made their own and hosted it on their own network. Aside from more exposure to raw tech, the technology making the internet happen was a lot simpler back then, where servers were actually physical servers,and such. I was able to adopt the complexity progressively as it came into existence which is a lot easier with the base knowledge of how the building blocks worked.

AtlasBarfed 10mo ago
We still need a lot of plug and Play with home servers. In theory, AI should be good at helping building interfaces between cloud backups and home server apps. Because AI should be good at apis. In theory
- hinkley 10mo ago
  I’d like a turnkey k3s and a 10” rack designed for consumers. Set up to host your Minecraft server, store your media, and be incrementally upgradeable.
BrenBarn 10mo ago
This is my impression as well. From what I've seen, many Gen Z people only loosely even think in terms of things like "files". They are used to integrations where everything just lives on some website or in a Google app and the way you locate things is by searching.
- raddan 10mo ago

mikepurvis 10mo ago

I just set up a little cube server with a Mini-ITX board I had lying around. Overall I'm very happy with it, but right now it's basically just Unraid with the built-in containers running for Deluge, Jellyfin, and the Crafty minecraft server. I'd love for it to also be a backup of my whole Google Photos account (eg https://github.com/JakeWharton/docker-gphotos-sync https://github.com/JakeWharton/docker-gphotos-sync) but honestly I can't imagine trying to maintain an app on there that would actually be the first class storage/sync/presentation layer for my family.

cyberax 10mo ago
> I can't imagine trying to maintain an app on there that would actually be the first class storage/sync/presentation layer for my family. Immich exists. It really is missing only some editing functionality and some nice-to-have features from GPhotos like automatic panoramas. Other than that, it's superior to Google.
- vachina 10mo ago
  Immich feels too heavy for my needs, so I wrote a single executable server that turns my photo directories into a photo gallery (https://github.com/yhling/go-web-image-gallery https://github.com/yhling/go-web-image-gallery) Photo ingestion is via regular samba uploads from my phone.
esseph 10mo ago
You might be shocked. Immich is amazing.

ExtraRoulette 10mo ago

I'm working on it! I have a little NUC that I'm learning Linux (Is that the proper term?) on. I plan to self host a few services for myself and host family photos on it someday. I'm going through a "Deep, Vast, Trough of Learning" at the moment :>