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Germans are mostly chill but if you start torrenting copyrighed content or even watching illegal streaming they will eat your face and drink your warm blood.

xg15 10mo ago
German authorities, not Germans.
- deleted 10mo ago
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- nosianu 10mo ago
  It's mostly certain law firms employed by copyright owners. Famous (in Germany) example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal (use auto-translate, it's German)
  - aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
    > Famous (in Germany) example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal (use auto-translate, it's German) For a lot of Germans who are knowledgable in this topic, being associated with such a company is nearly like openly admitting to have raped children. The hate for these law firms and their employees is extreme.
UberFly 10mo ago
Except for the late night home raids rooting out "hate speech". Opposite of chill.
- nosianu 10mo ago
  Just for anyone new here, if you have comments like this, please be specific and post something a neutral person can verify and form their own opinion on. Don't just post silly one-liners that don't have any real content. This would have been a concrete example, where a government minister abused the system because a tweet annoyed him: https://theweek.com/news/world-news/954635/willygate-german-minister-ridiculed https://theweek.com/news/world-news/954635/willygate-german-...
- sho_hn 10mo ago
  I'll take the bait because I'm annoyed by the boiling-frog aspect to vaguely alluding to things. Here's the press release on this: https://www.bka.de/DE/Presse/Listenseite_Pressemitteilungen/2024/Presse2024/240306_PM_Aktionstag_gegen_Frauenfeindlichkeit.html?nn=27906 https://www.bka.de/DE/Presse/Listenseite_Pressemitteilungen/... tl;dr Since in Germany it is illegal to e.g. make public postings calling for the rape of women or share video footage of women being murdered and tortured for the purpose of entertainment and gloating, one day ahead of International Womens Day police staged a big showy series of raids on individuals doing such things, to make a point and call attention to the issue. Sounds like an excellent use of my tax money, to be honest, but it was certainly controversial also in Germany.
  - on_the_train 10mo ago
    It is also illegal to share crime statistics or make jokes about politicians
    - sho_hn 10mo ago
      Observe how hyperbole comes without links, in comparison.
      - on_the_train 10mo ago
        https://www.bz-berlin.de/meinung/kolumne/kolumne-mein-aerger/witz-2 https://www.bz-berlin.de/meinung/kolumne/kolumne-mein-aerger...
        the_why_of_y 10mo ago
        This article doesn't report the facts correctly; the search warrant was issued for posting an anti-semitic Nazi meme. (Just for the record, I believe that a well-known politician should just have to live with being insulted.) > The Bavaria resident is also accused of posting Nazi-era imagery and language earlier in 2024. According to prosecutors, this post may have violated German laws against the incitement of ethnic or religious hatred. > The man was arrested on Thursday as part of nationwide police operations against suspected antisemitic hate speech online. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... This article is more informative: Translated (with DeepL.com): > The public prosecutor's office in Bamberg has now announced: The search had already been requested before the Green politician himself filed a criminal complaint in the case. > Habeck only filed a criminal complaint in the case more than a month after the search warrant had been requested. > According to the public prosecutor's office, the suspect is also facing another charge: According to this, in spring 2024, he allegedly uploaded a picture on X with a reference to the Nazi dictatorship, which could potentially constitute the criminal offense of incitement to hatred. According to the investigators, it shows an SS or SA man with the poster and the words “Germans don't buy from Jews” and the additional text “True democrats! We've had it all before!”. https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schwachkopf-beleidigung-razzia-bei-rentner-war-vor-habecks-anzeige-geplant-a-c3f0062f-5d9e-49b5-b02e-53693cf4036a https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schwachkopf-belei... (Note the date on the last article - 5 days later than the one you linked - likely the facts weren't known to the public before then)
- spit2wind 10mo ago
  I'll also take the bait. As far as I understand it, these rules come, fundamentally, from the German Basic Law which was drafted, in part, with direct support from the US after the war. There's certainly always room for healthy debate about what is meant by freedom of speech. But it strikes me as ignorant to come from a US "absolutist" perspective and not understand the history (of US involvement). No clue if the poster is approaching it from that perspective; I'm trying to raise the point of historical context in response to the category of such responses I've encountered.
tirant 10mo ago
I knew about torrenting, due to the problem of redistributing copyright material. But pure streaming? Are you sure that is illegal in Germany?
- p2detar 10mo ago
  No, it’s not. Friend of mine was doing it on regular basis and only stopped because he got Amazon Prime subscription and didn’t need to anymore.
  - lifestyleguru 10mo ago
    There were attempts at legal bullying, but mostly with aim to humiliate the victim as the correspondence contains the full titles of porn videos.
  - tyre 10mo ago
    Wait people are illegal streaming twitch? I guess that makes sense but I never thought about that.
    - lionkor 10mo ago
      Prime includes Amazon Video or whatever
- dark-star 10mo ago
  the problem is people don't know about torrents, and many streaming sites are based on torrents, so they re-upload the stream while you're watching, which gets you into trouble
  - throwreallyw 10mo ago
    how does that work?
    - dark-star 10mo ago
mikigraf 10mo ago
Germans yes, the gov with their over-regulation not
lysace 10mo ago
German Wikipedia was taken down twice (for "privacy", not piracy though). Still "illegal information". In the latter case about a former Stasi worker turned leftist member of parliament. https://www.theregister.com/2006/01/20/wikipedia_shutdown/ https://www.theregister.com/2006/01/20/wikipedia_shutdown/ The German Wikipedia site was taken down by court order this week because it mentioned the full name of a deceased Chaos Computer Club hacker, known as Tron. A Berlin court ordered the closure of the site on Tuesday after it sided with the parents of the German hacker, who wanted to prevent the online encyclopedia from publishing the real name of their son. A final ruling is expected in two weeks' time. https://web.archive.org/web/20090129160045/https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/5928/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090129160045/https://cyberlaw.... By virtue of an interim injunction ordered by the Lübeck state court dated November 13, 2008, upon the request of Lutz Heilmann (Member of Parliament – “Die Linke” party), Wikipedia Germany is hereby enjoined from continuing linking from the Internet address wikipedia.de to the Internet address de.wikipedia.org, as long as under the address de.wikipedia.org certain propositions concerning Lutz Heilmann remain visible.
- lifestyleguru 10mo ago
  Sometimes it feels that the only reason for German "privacy laws" are former Nazi and Stasi officials hiding their past.
  - amarant 10mo ago
    Those all live in South America though
    - lysace 10mo ago
      Some hardcore nazis went to South America. You may know about Rote Armee Fraktion/Baader-Meinhof-Gruppe. They were a self-proclaimed communist and anti-imperialist urban guerrilla group. They murdered 34 people. A number of these were former Nazi party members that in the 1970s had climbed to powerful positions in West Germany. OTOH, during the war nazi party membership was not exactly optional if you ran a business. On the other side of the border: While Angela Merkel denies it, I find it extremely improbable that she did not work for Stasi in some form.

xg15 10mo ago

German authorities, not Germans.

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nosianu 10mo ago
It's mostly certain law firms employed by copyright owners. Famous (in Germany) example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal (use auto-translate, it's German)
- aleph_minus_one 10mo ago
  > Famous (in Germany) example: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frommer_Legal (use auto-translate, it's German) For a lot of Germans who are knowledgable in this topic, being associated with such a company is nearly like openly admitting to have raped children. The hate for these law firms and their employees is extreme.

UberFly 10mo ago

Except for the late night home raids rooting out "hate speech". Opposite of chill.

nosianu 10mo ago
Just for anyone new here, if you have comments like this, please be specific and post something a neutral person can verify and form their own opinion on. Don't just post silly one-liners that don't have any real content. This would have been a concrete example, where a government minister abused the system because a tweet annoyed him: https://theweek.com/news/world-news/954635/willygate-german-minister-ridiculed https://theweek.com/news/world-news/954635/willygate-german-...
sho_hn 10mo ago
I'll take the bait because I'm annoyed by the boiling-frog aspect to vaguely alluding to things. Here's the press release on this: https://www.bka.de/DE/Presse/Listenseite_Pressemitteilungen/2024/Presse2024/240306_PM_Aktionstag_gegen_Frauenfeindlichkeit.html?nn=27906 https://www.bka.de/DE/Presse/Listenseite_Pressemitteilungen/... tl;dr Since in Germany it is illegal to e.g. make public postings calling for the rape of women or share video footage of women being murdered and tortured for the purpose of entertainment and gloating, one day ahead of International Womens Day police staged a big showy series of raids on individuals doing such things, to make a point and call attention to the issue. Sounds like an excellent use of my tax money, to be honest, but it was certainly controversial also in Germany.
- on_the_train 10mo ago
  It is also illegal to share crime statistics or make jokes about politicians
  - sho_hn 10mo ago
    Observe how hyperbole comes without links, in comparison.
    - on_the_train 10mo ago
      https://www.bz-berlin.de/meinung/kolumne/kolumne-mein-aerger/witz-2 https://www.bz-berlin.de/meinung/kolumne/kolumne-mein-aerger...
      - the_why_of_y 10mo ago
        This article doesn't report the facts correctly; the search warrant was issued for posting an anti-semitic Nazi meme. (Just for the record, I believe that a well-known politician should just have to live with being insulted.) > The Bavaria resident is also accused of posting Nazi-era imagery and language earlier in 2024. According to prosecutors, this post may have violated German laws against the incitement of ethnic or religious hatred. > The man was arrested on Thursday as part of nationwide police operations against suspected antisemitic hate speech online. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-over-online-insult/a-70793557 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-greens-habeck-presses-charges-... This article is more informative: Translated (with DeepL.com): > The public prosecutor's office in Bamberg has now announced: The search had already been requested before the Green politician himself filed a criminal complaint in the case. > Habeck only filed a criminal complaint in the case more than a month after the search warrant had been requested. > According to the public prosecutor's office, the suspect is also facing another charge: According to this, in spring 2024, he allegedly uploaded a picture on X with a reference to the Nazi dictatorship, which could potentially constitute the criminal offense of incitement to hatred. According to the investigators, it shows an SS or SA man with the poster and the words “Germans don't buy from Jews” and the additional text “True democrats! We've had it all before!”. https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schwachkopf-beleidigung-razzia-bei-rentner-war-vor-habecks-anzeige-geplant-a-c3f0062f-5d9e-49b5-b02e-53693cf4036a https://www.spiegel.de/politik/deutschland/schwachkopf-belei... (Note the date on the last article - 5 days later than the one you linked - likely the facts weren't known to the public before then)
spit2wind 10mo ago
I'll also take the bait. As far as I understand it, these rules come, fundamentally, from the German Basic Law which was drafted, in part, with direct support from the US after the war. There's certainly always room for healthy debate about what is meant by freedom of speech. But it strikes me as ignorant to come from a US "absolutist" perspective and not understand the history (of US involvement). No clue if the poster is approaching it from that perspective; I'm trying to raise the point of historical context in response to the category of such responses I've encountered.

tirant 10mo ago

I knew about torrenting, due to the problem of redistributing copyright material. But pure streaming? Are you sure that is illegal in Germany?

p2detar 10mo ago
No, it’s not. Friend of mine was doing it on regular basis and only stopped because he got Amazon Prime subscription and didn’t need to anymore.
- lifestyleguru 10mo ago
  There were attempts at legal bullying, but mostly with aim to humiliate the victim as the correspondence contains the full titles of porn videos.
- tyre 10mo ago
  Wait people are illegal streaming twitch? I guess that makes sense but I never thought about that.
  - lionkor 10mo ago
    Prime includes Amazon Video or whatever
dark-star 10mo ago
the problem is people don't know about torrents, and many streaming sites are based on torrents, so they re-upload the stream while you're watching, which gets you into trouble
- throwreallyw 10mo ago
  how does that work?
  - dark-star 10mo ago

mikigraf 10mo ago

Germans yes, the gov with their over-regulation not

lysace 10mo ago

German Wikipedia was taken down twice (for "privacy", not piracy though). Still "illegal information". In the latter case about a former Stasi worker turned leftist member of parliament. https://www.theregister.com/2006/01/20/wikipedia_shutdown/ https://www.theregister.com/2006/01/20/wikipedia_shutdown/ The German Wikipedia site was taken down by court order this week because it mentioned the full name of a deceased Chaos Computer Club hacker, known as Tron. A Berlin court ordered the closure of the site on Tuesday after it sided with the parents of the German hacker, who wanted to prevent the online encyclopedia from publishing the real name of their son. A final ruling is expected in two weeks' time. https://web.archive.org/web/20090129160045/https://cyberlaw.stanford.edu/node/5928/ https://web.archive.org/web/20090129160045/https://cyberlaw.... By virtue of an interim injunction ordered by the Lübeck state court dated November 13, 2008, upon the request of Lutz Heilmann (Member of Parliament – “Die Linke” party), Wikipedia Germany is hereby enjoined from continuing linking from the Internet address wikipedia.de to the Internet address de.wikipedia.org, as long as under the address de.wikipedia.org certain propositions concerning Lutz Heilmann remain visible.

lifestyleguru 10mo ago
Sometimes it feels that the only reason for German "privacy laws" are former Nazi and Stasi officials hiding their past.
- amarant 10mo ago
  Those all live in South America though
  - lysace 10mo ago
    Some hardcore nazis went to South America. You may know about Rote Armee Fraktion/Baader-Meinhof-Gruppe. They were a self-proclaimed communist and anti-imperialist urban guerrilla group. They murdered 34 people. A number of these were former Nazi party members that in the 1970s had climbed to powerful positions in West Germany. OTOH, during the war nazi party membership was not exactly optional if you ran a business. On the other side of the border: While Angela Merkel denies it, I find it extremely improbable that she did not work for Stasi in some form.