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And what evidence do you base those assumptions on? According to the journalists at electrek despite Tesla having capacity to manufacture 250k cybertrucks per y

by malfist 10mo ago

And what evidence do you base those assumptions on? According to the journalists at electrek despite Tesla having capacity to manufacture 250k cybertrucks per year, they're only selling 20-25k per year

mxschumacher 10mo ago
and SpaceX has been a major buyer of Cybertrucks
SonOfKyuss 10mo ago
I actually get a kick out of Eletrek’s roasting of Elon and Tesla, but if you read a few of their articles, it’s clear they don’t like him. Lots of opinions and editorializing in the articles. I have no problem with that, you just have to realize where they are coming from and base your interpretation accordingly
- TheAlchemist 10mo ago
  The reason for that is actually very funny. Electrek guy (Fred) was one of the main propagandist for Tesla's cult - he 'earned' 2 free Tesla Roadsters for his convincing enough people to buy a Tesla. It was only once he realized that he has been duped and those will never materialize that the coverage turned negative.
  - detritus 10mo ago
    Thanks for this - I've paid much less attention to Tesla over recent years, but my memory of Electrek was that it was a distinctly-pro Tesla outlet, but this was a few years back now.
  - Tepix 10mo ago
    I think Elon going full nazi also had a major influence on the changing judgement of Tesla.
    - callc 10mo ago
      Yup. Plain and simple. I won’t purchase or use anything Elon Musk does. Bad behavior and corroding society needs to be met with social disapproval.
    - fartfeatures 10mo ago
      Fred has been going at Tesla far longer than Elon has been political.
      - Tepix 10mo ago
        It‘s been a gradual process. Fred selling his stock also meant he was less inclined to be only pro-Tesla. ChatGPT sums it up pretty well I think: https://chatgpt.com/share/69552165-238c-8008-980b-4d0ff2e1b42c https://chatgpt.com/share/69552165-238c-8008-980b-4d0ff2e1b4...
- rasz 10mo ago
  Its not that they dont like him, its more of Editor was big believer until Tesla scammed him out of half a $mil worth of fake roadsters that never materialized.
  - simondotau 10mo ago
    If that's really the reason, that's the most idiotic reason possible. So he "earned" a couple of Roadsters by spamming his referral code, and it turns out his free cars might be a decade late, and maybe not as awesome as promised? Booo hooooo
    - NewLogic 10mo ago
      It's called fraud, the editor was a victim of fraud. At least he clued on late I guess..
      - fastball 10mo ago
        There was no guarantee of Roadster delivery date.
      - simondotau 10mo ago
        Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? Referral credits are legal fictions, much like how Tesla Roadsters are physical fictions. Trading one fiction for another isn’t fraud, it’s cosplay.
        gruez 10mo ago
        >Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? Is it fraud if you worked for a startup that promised you options, and then refused to honor/issue those said options? After all, because those options never existed, you also "paid $0 for non-existent [options]"?
        Dylan16807 10mo ago
        > Leveraging an existing monetised readership for referral credits isn’t “work”. > Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? How do you think readership gets monetised in the first place? The biggest way is ads, which includes referrals. Do you dismiss paid ad placement the same way you dismiss referrals? If not, what makes it different? > Referral credits are legal fictions A promise for $100 of stuff isn't exactly the same as a promise for $100, but it's close. Debt is a "legal fiction" but that doesn't mean it's not legitimate, or that you can pretend it doesn't exist.
jack_riminton 10mo ago
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- tclancy 10mo ago
  The second part of your post is your opinion plus a hypothesis that supports your opinion.
  - jack_riminton 10mo ago
    No I said “ Even if the truck has been a flop I doubt their whole battery program has been “ The replier then went off on one about the truck actually being a flop. I already conceded it had been. The main point was that their battery program probably hasn’t been a flop
    - malfist 10mo ago
      The battery is only used for the truck. No one else is building on Tesla's new battery form factor. Which I do have to point out, doubting it's a failure isn't evidence that it isn't a failure. Which is why I asked you to back up your claims

by malfist 10mo ago

mxschumacher 10mo ago

and SpaceX has been a major buyer of Cybertrucks

SonOfKyuss 10mo ago

I actually get a kick out of Eletrek’s roasting of Elon and Tesla, but if you read a few of their articles, it’s clear they don’t like him. Lots of opinions and editorializing in the articles. I have no problem with that, you just have to realize where they are coming from and base your interpretation accordingly

TheAlchemist 10mo ago
The reason for that is actually very funny. Electrek guy (Fred) was one of the main propagandist for Tesla's cult - he 'earned' 2 free Tesla Roadsters for his convincing enough people to buy a Tesla. It was only once he realized that he has been duped and those will never materialize that the coverage turned negative.
- detritus 10mo ago
  Thanks for this - I've paid much less attention to Tesla over recent years, but my memory of Electrek was that it was a distinctly-pro Tesla outlet, but this was a few years back now.
- Tepix 10mo ago
  I think Elon going full nazi also had a major influence on the changing judgement of Tesla.
  - callc 10mo ago
    Yup. Plain and simple. I won’t purchase or use anything Elon Musk does. Bad behavior and corroding society needs to be met with social disapproval.
  - fartfeatures 10mo ago
    Fred has been going at Tesla far longer than Elon has been political.
    - Tepix 10mo ago
      It‘s been a gradual process. Fred selling his stock also meant he was less inclined to be only pro-Tesla. ChatGPT sums it up pretty well I think: https://chatgpt.com/share/69552165-238c-8008-980b-4d0ff2e1b42c https://chatgpt.com/share/69552165-238c-8008-980b-4d0ff2e1b4...
rasz 10mo ago
Its not that they dont like him, its more of Editor was big believer until Tesla scammed him out of half a $mil worth of fake roadsters that never materialized.
- simondotau 10mo ago
  If that's really the reason, that's the most idiotic reason possible. So he "earned" a couple of Roadsters by spamming his referral code, and it turns out his free cars might be a decade late, and maybe not as awesome as promised? Booo hooooo
  - NewLogic 10mo ago
    It's called fraud, the editor was a victim of fraud. At least he clued on late I guess..
    - fastball 10mo ago
      There was no guarantee of Roadster delivery date.
    - simondotau 10mo ago
      Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? Referral credits are legal fictions, much like how Tesla Roadsters are physical fictions. Trading one fiction for another isn’t fraud, it’s cosplay.
      - gruez 10mo ago
        >Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? Is it fraud if you worked for a startup that promised you options, and then refused to honor/issue those said options? After all, because those options never existed, you also "paid $0 for non-existent [options]"?
      - Dylan16807 10mo ago
        > Leveraging an existing monetised readership for referral credits isn’t “work”. > Is it fraud if he paid $0 for non-existent roadsters? How do you think readership gets monetised in the first place? The biggest way is ads, which includes referrals. Do you dismiss paid ad placement the same way you dismiss referrals? If not, what makes it different? > Referral credits are legal fictions A promise for $100 of stuff isn't exactly the same as a promise for $100, but it's close. Debt is a "legal fiction" but that doesn't mean it's not legitimate, or that you can pretend it doesn't exist.

jack_riminton 10mo ago

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tclancy 10mo ago
The second part of your post is your opinion plus a hypothesis that supports your opinion.
- jack_riminton 10mo ago
  No I said “ Even if the truck has been a flop I doubt their whole battery program has been “ The replier then went off on one about the truck actually being a flop. I already conceded it had been. The main point was that their battery program probably hasn’t been a flop
  - malfist 10mo ago
    The battery is only used for the truck. No one else is building on Tesla's new battery form factor. Which I do have to point out, doubting it's a failure isn't evidence that it isn't a failure. Which is why I asked you to back up your claims