6 ms·
hey, not accusing you of anything (bad assumptions don't lead to a conducive conversation) but did you use AI to write or assist with this comment? this is tot
by bstsb 9mo ago
hey, not accusing you of anything (bad assumptions don't lead to a conducive conversation) but did you use AI to write or assist with this comment?
this is totally out of my own self-interest, no problems with its content
- ajkjk 9mo agofound the guy who didn't know about em dashes before this year also your question implies a bad assumption even if you disclaim it. if you don't want to imply a bad assumption the way to do that is to not say the words, not disclaim them
- reactordev 9mo agoThe hatred mostly comes from TTS models not properly pausing for them. “NO EM DASHES” is common system prompt behavior.
- xp84 9mo agoYou know, I didn’t think about that, but you’re right. I have seen so many AI narrations where it reads the dash exactly like a hyphen, actually maybe slightly reducing the inter-word gap. Odd the kinds of “easy” things such as complicated and advanced system gets wrong.
- bstsb 9mo agodidn't even notice the em dashes to be honest, i noticed the contrast framing in the second paragraph and the "It's impressive how" for its conclusion. as for the "assumption" bit, yeah fair enough. was just curious of AI usage online, this wasn't meant to be a dig at anyone as i know people use it for translations, cleaning up prose etc
- barishnamazov 9mo agoNo offense taken, but realize that good number of us folks who have learned English as a second language have been taught in this way (especially in an academic setting). LLMs' writing are like that of people, not the other way around.
- ajkjk 9mo agowouldn't say that... they're very distinctly not like people, that's (part of) the problem. But I don't think the difference is measured exactly in the choices of words and punctuation. It's more like... you can tell, reading AI writing, that it's not "sincere"; no person would want to say what the AI is saying, because it feels fake and disingenuous. The phrases and em dashes and whatever else are just the method for this effect. Real people use the same phrases but with real intent to communicate behind them, and the result is different in a way that is curiously easy to detect.
- sho_hn 9mo agoUpon inspection, the author's personal website used em dashes in 2023. I hope this helped with your witch hunt. I'm imagining a sort of Logan's Run-like scifi setup where only people with a documented em dash before November 30, 2022, i.e. D(ash)-day, are left with permission to write.
- brookst 9mo agoPhew. I have published work with em dashes, bulleted lists, “not just X, but Y” phrasing, and the use of “certainly”, all from the 90’s. Feel sorry for the kids, but I got mine.
- qingcharles 9mo agoI'm grandfathered in too. RIP the hyphen crew.
- mr_toad 9mo ago> I'm imagining a sort of Logan's Run-like scifi setup where only people with a documented em dash before November 30, 2022, i.e. D(ash)-day, are left with permission to write. At least Robespierre needed two sentences before condemning a man. Now the mob is lynching people on the basis of a single glyph.
- ozim 9mo agoI started to use — dash so that algos skip my writing thinking they were AI generated.
- bstsb 9mo agowasn't talking about the em dashes (i use them myself) but thanks anyway :)
- ekidd 9mo agoI have been overusing em dashes and bulleted lists since the actual 80s, I'm sad to say. I spent much of the 90s manually typing "smart" quotes. I have actually been deliberately modifying my long-time writing style and use of punctuation to look less like an LLM. I'm not sure how I feel about this.
- disillusioned 9mo agoAlt + 0151, baby! Or... however you do it on MacOS. But now, likewise, having to bail on emdashes. My last differentiator is that I always close set the emdash—no spaces on either side, whereas ChatGPT typically opens them (AP Style).
- piskov 9mo agoJust use some typography layout with a separate layer. Eg “right alt” plus “-” for m-dash Russians use this for at least 15 years https://ilyabirman.ru/typography-layout/ https://ilyabirman.ru/typography-layout/
- ksherlock 9mo agoOn the mac you just type — for an em dash or – for an en dash.
- xp84 9mo agoIs this a troll? But anyway, it’s option-hyphen for a en-dash and opt-shift-hyphen for the em-dash. I also just stopped using them a couple years ago when the meme about AI using them picked up steam.
- deleted 9mo ago[deleted]
- qingcharles 9mo agoI'm a savage, I just copy-paste them from Unicode sites.