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We want machines to do the laundry and clean our house so we have more time to create art and write code. Seems like in our current trajectory, the machines wil

We want machines to do the laundry and clean our house so we have more time to create art and write code. Seems like in our current trajectory, the machines will produce the art and code so we have more time to clean our house and do laundry....

danielrm26 10mo ago
Ah man...that's good. But maybe both of those are in the category of undesirable things. And the things we end up with are like art and baking and walking and talking and drinking coffee and such. Professional Chess is a nice pattern here. A calculator can beat Magnus Carlsen at this point, but Chess is more popular than ever. So it should be ok if AI/Robots are better than us at all the stuff we still decide to do.
- sunrunner 10mo ago
  Except Professional Chess, taken to mean players earning a living solely from paid tournament play, is in the low hundreds? Thousands? Meanwhile there are over 20 million 'professional' software developers. There are many things about that single number demographic that I would argue against, but despite that I'm not sure there's ever been a market for any kind of 'professional chess player', yet there is for 'professional software developer' (for some definitions of 'professional' and 'software'). [1] https://evansdata.com/reports/viewRelease.php?reportID=9 https://evansdata.com/reports/viewRelease.php?reportID=9
  - eudamoniac 10mo ago
    Making a living from solely paid tournament play is about 20-30 people in the world
- llmslave2 10mo ago
  Yeah I don't see clankers ever taking over art, music, sports etc. People care in large part about those things because of the human aspect. I'd love for them to take my job as a programmer though, as that would certainty free up time for me to travel and drink coffee and Guinness.
  - stavros 10mo ago
    Where would you find the money to do those things with?
    - kelseyfrog 10mo ago
      If all productive human labor is replaced by AI we have larger problems than where we'll find the money.
      - sunrunner 10mo ago
        I guess we all just need to come up with a shared definition for ‘productive’ first then? Shouldn’t be too difficult.
        kelseyfrog 10mo ago
        What if we just use "that which is exchanged for money"?
    - llmslave2 10mo ago
      Hopefully from money I've saved up or a business I started in the meantime.
ares623 10mo ago
Maybe cleaning house and doing laundry needs to start being marketed as an art form /s
fragmede 10mo ago
Very cute. Hardware has very different challenges than software. If you want to get into robotics, it's a growing field with a lot of jobs and money!
rzzzt 10mo ago
Ryan Anderson: Are We Having Fun Yet? https://www.instagram.com/itsryandanderson/reel/DRR241Mjr_F/ https://www.instagram.com/itsryandanderson/reel/DRR241Mjr_F/
rangestransform 10mo ago
Anecdotally LLM vibe coding has sucked ass on the big robotics monorepo I work on

danielrm26 10mo ago

Ah man...that's good. But maybe both of those are in the category of undesirable things. And the things we end up with are like art and baking and walking and talking and drinking coffee and such. Professional Chess is a nice pattern here. A calculator can beat Magnus Carlsen at this point, but Chess is more popular than ever. So it should be ok if AI/Robots are better than us at all the stuff we still decide to do.

sunrunner 10mo ago
Except Professional Chess, taken to mean players earning a living solely from paid tournament play, is in the low hundreds? Thousands? Meanwhile there are over 20 million 'professional' software developers. There are many things about that single number demographic that I would argue against, but despite that I'm not sure there's ever been a market for any kind of 'professional chess player', yet there is for 'professional software developer' (for some definitions of 'professional' and 'software'). [1] https://evansdata.com/reports/viewRelease.php?reportID=9 https://evansdata.com/reports/viewRelease.php?reportID=9
- eudamoniac 10mo ago
  Making a living from solely paid tournament play is about 20-30 people in the world
llmslave2 10mo ago
Yeah I don't see clankers ever taking over art, music, sports etc. People care in large part about those things because of the human aspect. I'd love for them to take my job as a programmer though, as that would certainty free up time for me to travel and drink coffee and Guinness.
- stavros 10mo ago
  Where would you find the money to do those things with?
  - kelseyfrog 10mo ago
    If all productive human labor is replaced by AI we have larger problems than where we'll find the money.
    - sunrunner 10mo ago
      I guess we all just need to come up with a shared definition for ‘productive’ first then? Shouldn’t be too difficult.
      - kelseyfrog 10mo ago
        What if we just use "that which is exchanged for money"?
  - llmslave2 10mo ago
    Hopefully from money I've saved up or a business I started in the meantime.

ares623 10mo ago

Maybe cleaning house and doing laundry needs to start being marketed as an art form /s

fragmede 10mo ago

Very cute. Hardware has very different challenges than software. If you want to get into robotics, it's a growing field with a lot of jobs and money!

rzzzt 10mo ago

Ryan Anderson: Are We Having Fun Yet? https://www.instagram.com/itsryandanderson/reel/DRR241Mjr_F/ https://www.instagram.com/itsryandanderson/reel/DRR241Mjr_F/

rangestransform 10mo ago

Anecdotally LLM vibe coding has sucked ass on the big robotics monorepo I work on