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Our whole tech stack is foreign owned and built. Everything from the CPU to the operating system and more. We live in a globalised system and there's no undoin

Our whole tech stack is foreign owned and built. Everything from the CPU to the operating system and more. We live in a globalised system and there's no undoing that. The very idea of "nation" is being challenged. To me the NHS is a hang-over from the 20th century, out of date and struggling to keep up. A new system of health care needs to take over. I'm not smart enough to know what that is, but I hope it happens soon.

giardini 10mo ago
Democratic governments should not provide health care. Politicians quickly learn to use government services/"rights" as a means of dividing and controlling the population. Instead of thinking about the survival of the nation, people focus on personal survival (e.g., should I vote to live another three years or help pay for a new weapon system?). To provide healthcare is akin to weighing the nations' pancreas on a balance scale against, for example, the Navy. What kind of a country is that? (Ans. "Almost every developed nation today!-(") I believe the term for this is "incommensurability". Whilst money seems to make everything "commensurable" at first glance, it is a mistake to extend the application of money in this manner to government-provided healthcare. https://healthcarereaders.com/insights/healthcare-fundamental-human-right https://healthcarereaders.com/insights/healthcare-fundamenta...
- Daishiman 10mo ago
  But this is actually not what happens and for the most part democratic governments that do provide health care are the ones with the best health outcomes worldwide, so what point are you trying to make?
  - giardini 10mo ago
    My point is that governments should focus on national security and integrity of elections and law. Every dollar spent on healthcare is a dollar that cannot be used to enhance the nations' defense or legal systems. It also raises the cost of government b/c of the necessary added bureaucracy. Let private businesses sell insurance. Let people buy what insurance they desire.
    - Daishiman 10mo ago
      Yeah and we’ve seen that fail again and again and again. So no.
      - giardini 10mo ago
        How do you define failure? When did "again and again" occur? I don't see that you have any valid argument or any supporting data whatsoever. Private health insurance exists and works. Insurance doesn't have to cover everything: any aspect of coverage is debatable since it is a contract between buyer and seller with the courts as the deciding powers when either buyer or seller believes the contract has been violated.
- xtiansimon 10mo ago
  > “Democratic governments should not provide health care.” I don’t know about this, but I’m positive employers should not provide health insurance. Companies don’t have the right incentives to be controlling your healthcare plan, when you leave the company you don’t have a plan (unless you can afford COBRA), you might not even be eligible for health insurance from your company because of company-policy to not cover non-manager level or part-time——are they too not deserving of healthcare insurance? Employers coverage is good for some because incentives align, but it should not be the standard.
- jacquesm 10mo ago
  > Democratic governments should not provide health care. They absolutely should. And it should be free for all and private health care should be absolutely forbidden to force the rich to use the exact same health care system as the poor. That's the only way you get quality. Same with education.

giardini 10mo ago

Democratic governments should not provide health care. Politicians quickly learn to use government services/"rights" as a means of dividing and controlling the population. Instead of thinking about the survival of the nation, people focus on personal survival (e.g., should I vote to live another three years or help pay for a new weapon system?). To provide healthcare is akin to weighing the nations' pancreas on a balance scale against, for example, the Navy. What kind of a country is that? (Ans. "Almost every developed nation today!-(") I believe the term for this is "incommensurability". Whilst money seems to make everything "commensurable" at first glance, it is a mistake to extend the application of money in this manner to government-provided healthcare. https://healthcarereaders.com/insights/healthcare-fundamental-human-right https://healthcarereaders.com/insights/healthcare-fundamenta...

Daishiman 10mo ago
But this is actually not what happens and for the most part democratic governments that do provide health care are the ones with the best health outcomes worldwide, so what point are you trying to make?
- giardini 10mo ago
  My point is that governments should focus on national security and integrity of elections and law. Every dollar spent on healthcare is a dollar that cannot be used to enhance the nations' defense or legal systems. It also raises the cost of government b/c of the necessary added bureaucracy. Let private businesses sell insurance. Let people buy what insurance they desire.
  - Daishiman 10mo ago
    Yeah and we’ve seen that fail again and again and again. So no.
    - giardini 10mo ago
      How do you define failure? When did "again and again" occur? I don't see that you have any valid argument or any supporting data whatsoever. Private health insurance exists and works. Insurance doesn't have to cover everything: any aspect of coverage is debatable since it is a contract between buyer and seller with the courts as the deciding powers when either buyer or seller believes the contract has been violated.
xtiansimon 10mo ago
> “Democratic governments should not provide health care.” I don’t know about this, but I’m positive employers should not provide health insurance. Companies don’t have the right incentives to be controlling your healthcare plan, when you leave the company you don’t have a plan (unless you can afford COBRA), you might not even be eligible for health insurance from your company because of company-policy to not cover non-manager level or part-time——are they too not deserving of healthcare insurance? Employers coverage is good for some because incentives align, but it should not be the standard.
jacquesm 10mo ago
> Democratic governments should not provide health care. They absolutely should. And it should be free for all and private health care should be absolutely forbidden to force the rich to use the exact same health care system as the poor. That's the only way you get quality. Same with education.