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Do you have a good example?

by Eupolemos 9mo ago

moralestapia 9mo ago
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- nawgz 9mo ago
  Which of these have been met with scorn by liberals? You seem to not get the idea...
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    - nawgz 9mo ago
      Yes, you're right, I should google to make your arguments for you! Listing a bunch of white house links and then 2 criticisms (edit: he got it up to about 6 criticisms of marijuana legislation, wow!) which aren't even really about the action but more about the general malfeasance of the administration is an extremely weak supporting argument behind "liberals criticize anything good Trump does the same way conservatives criticized anything good Biden did", because we can identify plentiful examples of naked hypocrisy around the criticisms of Biden - see the autopen debacle for one hilariously manufactured self-owning example. It must really be quite trying to justify Trump's actions, I'm amazed you have failed to use any of that energy on introspection.
    - nawgz 9mo ago
      After significantly more searching, you managed to cite less criticisms of Trump’s “good actions” by liberals than you managed to cite “good actions” themselves, and then to top it all off you tried to weakly justify that conclusion with some trite aphorism about individualism encompassing many outcomes. Weak!
- losthobbies 9mo ago
  All these come from the white house press directly which has painted them in a glowing light but it remains to be seen if they are actually good things. The administration is crooked. Nothing they do can be trusted. Especially when they attack science and reduce funding for critical programs
  - phantasmish 9mo ago
    He’s announced having done more things I might have liked, than he’s actually done. Lots of crowing about crap that never happens.
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phantasmish 9mo ago
I tried to help them steelman this but the only couple examples of good things I could come up with, I’ve not seen liberals complain about. Hm. Coming up blank.
alright2565 9mo ago
The two recent examples I can think of are the Gaza ceasefire, as well as the general concept (and not actual implementation) of re-industrializing the USA in the context of China's dominance.
- saagarjha 9mo ago
  Well, people are still dying despite the ceasefire and the reindustrialization seems mostly to build data centers. What parts of these do you think are good?
- WickyNilliams 9mo ago
  Has there actually been a ceasefire in practice? People are still dying, guns are still being fired afaik. And the broader plan does not instill confidence with Tony Blair proposed as a technocratic leader of the area
  - alright2565 9mo ago
    I don't know. It's tragic but unfortunately not surprising there is still fighting. My recollection is that during the early, and perhaps overly hopeful, days, left-leaning media avoided saying Trump's name when reporting on it.
    - WickyNilliams 9mo ago
      Of course I have no sway, politically or otherwise, but I would have happily given credit to Trump where it was due if it panned out. But Israel does not seem to have abided by the ceasefire, and the larger peace plan now feels like it's going to be stitch up for the Palestinian people. It is definitely tragic
- sgnelson 9mo ago
  "re-industrializing the USA" Call me when the party starts. Many of the decisions this administration has made are having the opposite impact. The re-industrialization of the US (what little bit of it there is) is in spite of the trump administration, not because of it.
BurningFrog 9mo ago
Does any leftist have an example of anything good Trump has done?
- saagarjha 9mo ago
  Trump seems to be really into kei trucks all of a sudden, if he follows through with allowing their import that seems like it could be good
- ModernMech 9mo ago
  The 2018 farm bill was at the top of my list. But they just repealed all the good they accidentally did with it so never mind.
- 3eb7988a1663 9mo ago
  Not that I think he has the legal authority to do it, but I am not really opposed to dropping the penny.

Do you have a good example?

moralestapia 9mo ago

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nawgz 9mo ago
Which of these have been met with scorn by liberals? You seem to not get the idea...
- moralestapia 9mo ago
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  - nawgz 9mo ago
    Yes, you're right, I should google to make your arguments for you! Listing a bunch of white house links and then 2 criticisms (edit: he got it up to about 6 criticisms of marijuana legislation, wow!) which aren't even really about the action but more about the general malfeasance of the administration is an extremely weak supporting argument behind "liberals criticize anything good Trump does the same way conservatives criticized anything good Biden did", because we can identify plentiful examples of naked hypocrisy around the criticisms of Biden - see the autopen debacle for one hilariously manufactured self-owning example. It must really be quite trying to justify Trump's actions, I'm amazed you have failed to use any of that energy on introspection.
  - nawgz 9mo ago
    After significantly more searching, you managed to cite less criticisms of Trump’s “good actions” by liberals than you managed to cite “good actions” themselves, and then to top it all off you tried to weakly justify that conclusion with some trite aphorism about individualism encompassing many outcomes. Weak!
losthobbies 9mo ago
All these come from the white house press directly which has painted them in a glowing light but it remains to be seen if they are actually good things. The administration is crooked. Nothing they do can be trusted. Especially when they attack science and reduce funding for critical programs
- phantasmish 9mo ago
  He’s announced having done more things I might have liked, than he’s actually done. Lots of crowing about crap that never happens.
saagarjha 9mo ago
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phantasmish 9mo ago

I tried to help them steelman this but the only couple examples of good things I could come up with, I’ve not seen liberals complain about. Hm. Coming up blank.

alright2565 9mo ago

The two recent examples I can think of are the Gaza ceasefire, as well as the general concept (and not actual implementation) of re-industrializing the USA in the context of China's dominance.

saagarjha 9mo ago
Well, people are still dying despite the ceasefire and the reindustrialization seems mostly to build data centers. What parts of these do you think are good?
WickyNilliams 9mo ago
Has there actually been a ceasefire in practice? People are still dying, guns are still being fired afaik. And the broader plan does not instill confidence with Tony Blair proposed as a technocratic leader of the area
- alright2565 9mo ago
  I don't know. It's tragic but unfortunately not surprising there is still fighting. My recollection is that during the early, and perhaps overly hopeful, days, left-leaning media avoided saying Trump's name when reporting on it.
  - WickyNilliams 9mo ago
    Of course I have no sway, politically or otherwise, but I would have happily given credit to Trump where it was due if it panned out. But Israel does not seem to have abided by the ceasefire, and the larger peace plan now feels like it's going to be stitch up for the Palestinian people. It is definitely tragic
sgnelson 9mo ago
"re-industrializing the USA" Call me when the party starts. Many of the decisions this administration has made are having the opposite impact. The re-industrialization of the US (what little bit of it there is) is in spite of the trump administration, not because of it.

BurningFrog 9mo ago

Does any leftist have an example of anything good Trump has done?

saagarjha 9mo ago
Trump seems to be really into kei trucks all of a sudden, if he follows through with allowing their import that seems like it could be good
ModernMech 9mo ago
The 2018 farm bill was at the top of my list. But they just repealed all the good they accidentally did with it so never mind.
3eb7988a1663 9mo ago
Not that I think he has the legal authority to do it, but I am not really opposed to dropping the penny.