6 ms·

I would love to see the gambling industry beaten back into whatever holes they slithered out of. If you want to gamble it should be in some smokey back room at

by m4ck_ 10mo ago

I would love to see the gambling industry beaten back into whatever holes they slithered out of. If you want to gamble it should be in some smokey back room at a liquor store. I'm surprised the christian right isn't making more of a fuss about gambling, but I guess they're getting greased to look the other way.

watwut 10mo ago
It is not gay, it is masculine, it does not hurt women, so christian right likes it. That it also hurts playing men does not bother christian right either, they will blame women and gay for that anyway.
- gspetr 10mo ago
  > it does not hurt women Why make assertions that even a cursory search can disprove? https://bettingladies.com/articles/super-bowl-2024 https://bettingladies.com/articles/super-bowl-2024
  - watwut 10mo ago
    I mean, we can reach gender equality in this one too, but overall, men are still more of direct victims. Women are still more of indirect ones - harmed more by having relationship with gambler and ending responsible for debt due to marriage.
- UncleMeat 10mo ago
  Domestic violence incidents go up when hometown sports teams lose. This effect is amplified with gambling. Women might be less likely to lose their wealth than men, but they are still likely to be victims of the ecosystem.
blell 10mo ago
Lately it feels like more and more people who are not religious invoke Christ to tell believers what they must do.
- billy99k 10mo ago
  This is what many evil people do.
  - bigyabai 10mo ago
    Concepts like "evil" are a human fabrication. Those people are the smart opportunists that our society rewards.
- azan_ 10mo ago
  Yes, because more and more Christians are becoming hypocrites.
  - dgrr19 10mo ago
    Since when betting is forbidden? It's not like they are socialists with a net worth of hundreds of millions
- robhlt 10mo ago
  Lately it feels like more and more religious people invoke Christ to tell non-believers what they must do, so I think it's only fair.
- m4ck_ 10mo ago
  Well, us non-believers are always told how we should live, what we should believe, how horrible we are for living our lives the way way do, etc, under penalty of eternal torture - why shouldn't I hold them to their own standards? It's their game and they can stop it any time they want.
- beAbU 10mo ago
  Yes, because the vast majority of self proclaimed and vocal so called "Christ"-ians have completely forgotten about (or conveniently abandoned) the teachings and philosophy of Christ the man. Nobody can claim with a straight face that the "Christian Right" movement in the US can be classified as wholesome love-thy-neighbour Christianity. Because from where I'm standing, it's far from it.
subjectsigma 10mo ago
Just spent the holidays with my family who fit squarely within “the Christian right”. I would say they are mostly uninformed on the topic. They don’t understand why digital sports betting is worse than a casino.
Simulacra 10mo ago
I don't look at gambling in a religious or moral perspective at all, but rather as a predatory business. It's like any other dopamine hit, the casinos manage joy and expectation, just enough, so that people keep coming back until they are hopelessly addicted, broke, or broken. The problem with gambling is that the house never loses, and when they are losing, they can kick you out and call you a cheater. At the very least, there needs to be severe restrictions on what casinos can do to people who are winning, and rein them in so that they don't use their money, power, influence, and heavy-handed security, in ways that are grossly unfair to the consumer. The power is too much in the hands of the casino, and really needs to swing back towards the consumer, otherwise people get taken for a ride, literally and figuratively.
- brador 10mo ago
  This is not true. The player can turn a profit, it’s just the probability of that tends closer to house advantage as they play more. Which is why the optimal play is usually to bet it all on the first play. Then walk away, win or lose.
  - SamInTheShell 10mo ago
    You're wrong. The house literally will come up to someone that is winning a lot and tell them to leave. "You're too good, we have to ask you to leave."
voidmain0001 10mo ago
This podcast episode addresses sports betting and touches on why religious groups condone it.
RickJWagner 10mo ago
Right side Christian here. There are much bigger fish to fry at the moment. Gambling does wreck families, though.
- BrandoElFollito 10mo ago
  What are those fish? And do they interfere in any way with the fish of us atheists? We do not have any fish to fry. We want to live free from opression from the ones that beieve they should turn others to the Truth.
  - RickJWagner 10mo ago
    The fish I’m talking about include hungry homeless people, poor people that need clothing, and young people dealing with unexpected pregnancies. There are ministries for all of those here, staffed and funded by churchgoers. Maybe think about it, see if there are some fish you could pick up.
    - BrandoElFollito 10mo ago
      These are not fish specific to religious people. Helping in these areas is what makes us human. If you need to invoque a deity to explain the action, good for you. The most important part is that help is provided. Now, unexpected pregnancies is not the strong part of Christianity. When you start to promote teaching about sex and birth control we can talk.
      - RickJWagner 10mo ago
        You’re right, those fish are not specific to religious people. But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. About the sex ed., the clinic I volunteer at offers pregnancy related information, including pamphlets that explain pros and cons of things like the ‘day after’ pill. Of course the preferred option is always ensuring good parenting for the newborn child. Clients can take video classes on parenting skills to earn reward points good for diapers, baby food and clothing. It’s really a good program, provided free to the people who need it.
paleotrope 10mo ago
I'm sure there are strong humanist arguments against gambling. Don't need a religious argument against it.

by m4ck_ 10mo ago

watwut 10mo ago

It is not gay, it is masculine, it does not hurt women, so christian right likes it. That it also hurts playing men does not bother christian right either, they will blame women and gay for that anyway.

gspetr 10mo ago
> it does not hurt women Why make assertions that even a cursory search can disprove? https://bettingladies.com/articles/super-bowl-2024 https://bettingladies.com/articles/super-bowl-2024
- watwut 10mo ago
  I mean, we can reach gender equality in this one too, but overall, men are still more of direct victims. Women are still more of indirect ones - harmed more by having relationship with gambler and ending responsible for debt due to marriage.
UncleMeat 10mo ago
Domestic violence incidents go up when hometown sports teams lose. This effect is amplified with gambling. Women might be less likely to lose their wealth than men, but they are still likely to be victims of the ecosystem.

blell 10mo ago

Lately it feels like more and more people who are not religious invoke Christ to tell believers what they must do.

billy99k 10mo ago
This is what many evil people do.
- bigyabai 10mo ago
  Concepts like "evil" are a human fabrication. Those people are the smart opportunists that our society rewards.
azan_ 10mo ago
Yes, because more and more Christians are becoming hypocrites.
- dgrr19 10mo ago
  Since when betting is forbidden? It's not like they are socialists with a net worth of hundreds of millions
robhlt 10mo ago
Lately it feels like more and more religious people invoke Christ to tell non-believers what they must do, so I think it's only fair.
m4ck_ 10mo ago
Well, us non-believers are always told how we should live, what we should believe, how horrible we are for living our lives the way way do, etc, under penalty of eternal torture - why shouldn't I hold them to their own standards? It's their game and they can stop it any time they want.
beAbU 10mo ago
Yes, because the vast majority of self proclaimed and vocal so called "Christ"-ians have completely forgotten about (or conveniently abandoned) the teachings and philosophy of Christ the man. Nobody can claim with a straight face that the "Christian Right" movement in the US can be classified as wholesome love-thy-neighbour Christianity. Because from where I'm standing, it's far from it.

subjectsigma 10mo ago

Just spent the holidays with my family who fit squarely within “the Christian right”. I would say they are mostly uninformed on the topic. They don’t understand why digital sports betting is worse than a casino.

Simulacra 10mo ago

I don't look at gambling in a religious or moral perspective at all, but rather as a predatory business. It's like any other dopamine hit, the casinos manage joy and expectation, just enough, so that people keep coming back until they are hopelessly addicted, broke, or broken. The problem with gambling is that the house never loses, and when they are losing, they can kick you out and call you a cheater. At the very least, there needs to be severe restrictions on what casinos can do to people who are winning, and rein them in so that they don't use their money, power, influence, and heavy-handed security, in ways that are grossly unfair to the consumer. The power is too much in the hands of the casino, and really needs to swing back towards the consumer, otherwise people get taken for a ride, literally and figuratively.

brador 10mo ago
This is not true. The player can turn a profit, it’s just the probability of that tends closer to house advantage as they play more. Which is why the optimal play is usually to bet it all on the first play. Then walk away, win or lose.
- SamInTheShell 10mo ago
  You're wrong. The house literally will come up to someone that is winning a lot and tell them to leave. "You're too good, we have to ask you to leave."

voidmain0001 10mo ago

This podcast episode addresses sports betting and touches on why religious groups condone it.

RickJWagner 10mo ago

Right side Christian here. There are much bigger fish to fry at the moment. Gambling does wreck families, though.

BrandoElFollito 10mo ago
What are those fish? And do they interfere in any way with the fish of us atheists? We do not have any fish to fry. We want to live free from opression from the ones that beieve they should turn others to the Truth.
- RickJWagner 10mo ago
  The fish I’m talking about include hungry homeless people, poor people that need clothing, and young people dealing with unexpected pregnancies. There are ministries for all of those here, staffed and funded by churchgoers. Maybe think about it, see if there are some fish you could pick up.
  - BrandoElFollito 10mo ago
    These are not fish specific to religious people. Helping in these areas is what makes us human. If you need to invoque a deity to explain the action, good for you. The most important part is that help is provided. Now, unexpected pregnancies is not the strong part of Christianity. When you start to promote teaching about sex and birth control we can talk.
    - RickJWagner 10mo ago
      You’re right, those fish are not specific to religious people. But it is true that religious people give more time and money to them. Less religious people tend to give and volunteer less for such causes. I offer no judgement or theories about why, but the data is strong. About the sex ed., the clinic I volunteer at offers pregnancy related information, including pamphlets that explain pros and cons of things like the ‘day after’ pill. Of course the preferred option is always ensuring good parenting for the newborn child. Clients can take video classes on parenting skills to earn reward points good for diapers, baby food and clothing. It’s really a good program, provided free to the people who need it.

paleotrope 10mo ago

I'm sure there are strong humanist arguments against gambling. Don't need a religious argument against it.