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From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.
by frankzander 9mo ago
From year to year more politics and less interesting stuff.
- MrBuddyCasino 9mo ago[flagged]
- okkdev 9mo agoHard to ignore in these times...
- deknos 9mo agoagain this myth. look at past fahrplans, there was always quite some political stuff. you just agreed with it and therefore it was not inconvenient.
- jasonvorhe 9mo agoSo you did a comparative analysis of previous events and there's no indication that there's more politics?
- DHolzer 9mo agoThe user had more arguments than just "it's all politics". What level of scrutiny does his statement have to hold up to? Because as far as I am concerned this is not here to find scientific truths.
- jasonvorhe 9mo agoI don't know man. It's always the same debate: It's either "too much politics" or "no change at all" whenever this issue comes up and the "nothing changed" crowd keeps on reminding everyone that C3 "was always like that". I'm not requesting a scientific study but if you're this convinced that nothing changed despite may old school attendees chiming in to confirm the opposite, perhaps it would be helpful to compare old and new schedules.
- nosianu 9mo agoI find it strange you didn't latch on to the original comment, which has the exact same problem you complained about, but reacted to the response. The best action is to ignore threads and sub-threads you don't care about and leave others who do to their fun.
- jasonvorhe 9mo ago[flagged]
- slurrpurr 9mo agoIn terms of the extent, no.
- tobi_bsf 9mo agoInteresting, the same came to my mind when reading the fahrplan.
- flohofwoe 9mo agoHacking and politics was always deeply intertwined in Germany/Europe. Especially the CCC has always been at least as much a political organization as it is a hacker community.
- monerozcash 9mo agoHey, at least you can reasonably argue that the political content has been headed downhill since the more aggressive days of the past. Do we see wikileaks or the likes anymore? Not really. Without direct action it's just nerds reading out their blog posts about politics, which couldn't be less interesting.
- meibo 9mo agoThere has been plenty of direct action in recent years, but I can't really think of any on a global scale. Lots of smaller things on a German level, like journalists reporting about infiltrating a Great Replacement conference hosted by the second biggest political party here.
- monerozcash 9mo agoSure, but it is unarguably much more boring stuff than it was years ago. I attend almost every Congress with a variety of groups, and there's certainly been a culture shift over the years from lots of anarchists who had no qualms with breaking the law to much more corporate scaredy-cats. Congress seems to keep growing so perhaps this is just serving a broader audience. But knowing a lot of long-time attendees, I'm certainly not alone in thinking Congress is starting to be less interesting than it used to be. I'm certainly not trying to say the event sucks though, there's still a plenty of interesting stuff happening.
- pinkgolem 9mo agoLove that you complain about not enough people breaking the law and somewhere below complains about to many people breaking the law Let's be real, the videos get far to much eyes to break the law. There are smaller talks and groups where it looks different.
- mnewme 9mo agoNot true, better line up than ted AI or Next
- littlecranky67 9mo agoCCC was always political (very left to far left). Never understood why hacking has to be political in the first place.
- jonesjohnson 9mo agowell, it has a lot to do with people growing up during cold war and german reunification. There were many stories where people lost faith in politics (e.g. after Chernobyl), so people gathered together to do stuff on their own. I think being "social" (to all people), decentralized and mistrusting authorities is just a left thing. so that's just a natural thing imho
- panick21_ 9mo agoThat chernobyl and western politics is in any way connected is due to decades unscientific fearmongering. And Berlin has always been a hotbed for that. But chernybyl isnt the only or primary reason.
- blueflow 9mo agoPeople come for the technical talks and leave for for the politics. Every year you got new people who find out the hard way that the CCC is a place for ardent activism, not for critical thinking. The people who stay do it to meet their friends there.
- user764743 9mo agoread up on the history of the CCC, it might blow your mind