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I mean, yeah, if you omit any objectionable detail and describe it in the most generic possible terms then of course the comparison sounds tasteless and offensi

I mean, yeah, if you omit any objectionable detail and describe it in the most generic possible terms then of course the comparison sounds tasteless and offensive. Consider that collecting child pornography is also "storing the result of an HTTP GET".

ronsor 10mo ago
The objection to CSAM is rooted in how it is (inhumanely) produced; people are not merely objecting to a GET request.
- jakelazaroff 10mo ago
  Indeed, and neither is that what people are objecting to with regard to AI training data.
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- beeflet 10mo ago
  Yes, they're objecting to people training on data they don't have the right to, not just the GET request as you suggest. If you distribute child porn, that is a crime. But if you crawl every image on the web and then train a model that can then synthesize child porn, the current legal model apparently has no concept of this and it is treated completely differently. Generally, I am more interested in how this effects copyright. These AI companies just have free reign to convert copyrighted works into the public domain through the proxy of over-trained AI models. If you release something as GPL, they can strip the license, but the same is not true of closed-source code which isn't trained on.
- tremon 10mo ago
  That's not true, since cartoon drawings and certain manga also fall in that category. Do you have any evidence that manga is produced inhumanely?
refulgentis 10mo ago
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      If you believe my conduct here is inappropriate, feel free to alert the mods. I think it's pretty obvious why describing someone's objections to AI training data as "storing the result of an HTTP GET" is not a good faith engagement.
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ronsor 10mo ago

The objection to CSAM is rooted in how it is (inhumanely) produced; people are not merely objecting to a GET request.

jakelazaroff 10mo ago
Indeed, and neither is that what people are objecting to with regard to AI training data.
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beeflet 10mo ago
Yes, they're objecting to people training on data they don't have the right to, not just the GET request as you suggest. If you distribute child porn, that is a crime. But if you crawl every image on the web and then train a model that can then synthesize child porn, the current legal model apparently has no concept of this and it is treated completely differently. Generally, I am more interested in how this effects copyright. These AI companies just have free reign to convert copyrighted works into the public domain through the proxy of over-trained AI models. If you release something as GPL, they can strip the license, but the same is not true of closed-source code which isn't trained on.
tremon 10mo ago
That's not true, since cartoon drawings and certain manga also fall in that category. Do you have any evidence that manga is produced inhumanely?

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  - jakelazaroff 10mo ago
    If you believe my conduct here is inappropriate, feel free to alert the mods. I think it's pretty obvious why describing someone's objections to AI training data as "storing the result of an HTTP GET" is not a good faith engagement.
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        We've banned this account. Please don't use multiple accounts in arguments on HN. It will eventually get your main account banned as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html