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They're now a defense contractor, the copy on their website sounds like military cosplaying.... Probably chasing the stupid profits of Anduril and Palantir, and

They're now a defense contractor, the copy on their website sounds like military cosplaying.... Probably chasing the stupid profits of Anduril and Palantir, and doing the old open source rugpull in the process. Zulip (for Slack) and Wekan (for Trello) are good replacements, save yourself the ethical and technical worries. https://zulip.com/ https://zulip.com/ https://wekan.github.io/ https://wekan.github.io/

firesteelrain 10mo ago
mIRC was used during GWOT for military. They just didn’t openly advertise it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5147321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5147321
- huhtenberg 10mo ago
  What's GWOT?
  - firesteelrain 10mo ago
    Global War on Terror
    - OutOfHere 10mo ago
      Global War on Tankers
- constantius 10mo ago
  Knives were too, and yet I'm not calling people to use forks instead. There is a difference between military contractors and generic tools. Edit: sorry, hotheaded reply. I assume you mean that the creator of mIRC was encouraging it (though it's not mentioned anywhere). I still.stand by my analogy, but I see your point given your assumption.
  - firesteelrain 10mo ago
    > I assume you mean that the creator of mIRC was aware of it and encouraging it. Like most licensed software, it was likely licensed by “US Government” or “Department of Defense”. Plus, it was openly written about back in the day. It was well known. No clauses in their licensing to prevent its use for those purposes. Comparing to Mattermost and amplifying the original comment, Mattermost website is openly associating with PlatformOne.
    - constantius 10mo ago
      Thanks. For context, this is what you're referring to (many entities with that name): https://p1.dso.mil/ https://p1.dso.mil/
      - firesteelrain 10mo ago
        Yes, exactly.
ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
On Kanban, I would instead suggest cryptpad.fr. Crucially, it's end to end encrypted. You can self-host it, or pay for having it hosted (or use the hosted free tier). Has other things in addition to kanban. I got a 1 yr account. https://cryptpad.fr/ https://cryptpad.fr/
- PunchyHamster 10mo ago
  > Crucially, it's end to end encrypted. I don't think it's all that crucial for something that at most gets some ticket descriptions on it
  - QuantumNomad_ 10mo ago
    It’s a whole office suite. And even if you use it only for bug ticketing there are products that are big enough that it takes a long time to implement changes. You really don’t want outsiders to be able to read open bug tickets for security vulnerabilities you are working on fixing for example. And you also don’t want outsiders to read your planned features either, probably. I think it makes perfect sense to use e2e encryption for bug tickets considering this.
    - PunchyHamster 10mo ago
      So far we had many leaks from internal systems of many companies like that and frankly not much happened, even when actual code leaked. It's far overrated fear, especially if you self-host it.
  - ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
    That's ok. You don't mind putting your life online, go ahead. To me it's crucial.
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sallveburrpi 10mo ago
So so weird that we live in a timeline where Anduril and Palantir are military contractors of the US and other governments. I know it’s somewhat of a tired observation by now but I still wonder every time how badly you have to misread LOTR to name your company after the witch kings cursed surveillance artefacts. I wonder when the first weapons manufacturing company calls themselves Angmar or Uruk-hai. The names are really dope though I have to give them that…
- swiftcoder 10mo ago
  > I wonder when the first weapons manufacturing company calls themselves Angmar or Uruk-hai. Luckily/unluckily, AngMar is one of those shady medical subcontracting firms instead...
  - sallveburrpi 10mo ago
    I guess they are named after the founders (Angie and Mark) - but still an eerie coincidence…
    - pluies 10mo ago
      Wait until my pals Saul and Ronald team up!
- ahartmetz 10mo ago
  "Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus" It was a Mike Judge type joke, aka ha-ha only serious.
- thatguy0900 10mo ago
  I don't think they misread it, I think they just liked sauron more than the good guys
- PunchyHamster 10mo ago
  > I know it’s somewhat of a tired observation by now but I still wonder every time how badly you have to misread LOTR to name your company after the witch kings cursed surveillance artefacts. Have you considered that it is not "misread", they just see themselves on Saruman side ?
mystraline 10mo ago
Unsurprising, given that the CEO of Element/Matrix is also selling and creating primarily to that end as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46379589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46379589
notesinthefield 10mo ago
Ive seen MM instances across defense dev teams for quite a while specifically to avoid Teams bs in the air force, gov teams does not like mixing with other orgs. Now it seems they’re actually going for contracts and Ill bet great money are mostly funded by USAF. Im very, very surprised.
bayindirh 10mo ago
I just read the copy on Mattermost's website. I believe you can't go more cringe than this for a group chat application. Wonder whether they do weapons integrations for this. Urgh.
- cess11 10mo ago
  Every software development organisation I've been in that used Mattermost built integrations with monitoring, build pipelines, LDAP queries and the like. I'm sure organisations in war would do similar things, but with the tools of their 'craft'.

firesteelrain 10mo ago

mIRC was used during GWOT for military. They just didn’t openly advertise it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5147321 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5147321

huhtenberg 10mo ago
What's GWOT?
- firesteelrain 10mo ago
  Global War on Terror
  - OutOfHere 10mo ago
    Global War on Tankers
constantius 10mo ago
Knives were too, and yet I'm not calling people to use forks instead. There is a difference between military contractors and generic tools. Edit: sorry, hotheaded reply. I assume you mean that the creator of mIRC was encouraging it (though it's not mentioned anywhere). I still.stand by my analogy, but I see your point given your assumption.
- firesteelrain 10mo ago
  > I assume you mean that the creator of mIRC was aware of it and encouraging it. Like most licensed software, it was likely licensed by “US Government” or “Department of Defense”. Plus, it was openly written about back in the day. It was well known. No clauses in their licensing to prevent its use for those purposes. Comparing to Mattermost and amplifying the original comment, Mattermost website is openly associating with PlatformOne.
  - constantius 10mo ago
    Thanks. For context, this is what you're referring to (many entities with that name): https://p1.dso.mil/ https://p1.dso.mil/
    - firesteelrain 10mo ago
      Yes, exactly.

ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago

On Kanban, I would instead suggest cryptpad.fr. Crucially, it's end to end encrypted. You can self-host it, or pay for having it hosted (or use the hosted free tier). Has other things in addition to kanban. I got a 1 yr account. https://cryptpad.fr/ https://cryptpad.fr/

PunchyHamster 10mo ago
> Crucially, it's end to end encrypted. I don't think it's all that crucial for something that at most gets some ticket descriptions on it
- QuantumNomad_ 10mo ago
  It’s a whole office suite. And even if you use it only for bug ticketing there are products that are big enough that it takes a long time to implement changes. You really don’t want outsiders to be able to read open bug tickets for security vulnerabilities you are working on fixing for example. And you also don’t want outsiders to read your planned features either, probably. I think it makes perfect sense to use e2e encryption for bug tickets considering this.
  - PunchyHamster 10mo ago
    So far we had many leaks from internal systems of many companies like that and frankly not much happened, even when actual code leaked. It's far overrated fear, especially if you self-host it.
- ekjhgkejhgk 10mo ago
  That's ok. You don't mind putting your life online, go ahead. To me it's crucial.

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sallveburrpi 10mo ago

So so weird that we live in a timeline where Anduril and Palantir are military contractors of the US and other governments. I know it’s somewhat of a tired observation by now but I still wonder every time how badly you have to misread LOTR to name your company after the witch kings cursed surveillance artefacts. I wonder when the first weapons manufacturing company calls themselves Angmar or Uruk-hai. The names are really dope though I have to give them that…

swiftcoder 10mo ago
> I wonder when the first weapons manufacturing company calls themselves Angmar or Uruk-hai. Luckily/unluckily, AngMar is one of those shady medical subcontracting firms instead...
- sallveburrpi 10mo ago
  I guess they are named after the founders (Angie and Mark) - but still an eerie coincidence…
  - pluies 10mo ago
    Wait until my pals Saul and Ronald team up!
ahartmetz 10mo ago
"Tech Company: At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus" It was a Mike Judge type joke, aka ha-ha only serious.
thatguy0900 10mo ago
I don't think they misread it, I think they just liked sauron more than the good guys
PunchyHamster 10mo ago
> I know it’s somewhat of a tired observation by now but I still wonder every time how badly you have to misread LOTR to name your company after the witch kings cursed surveillance artefacts. Have you considered that it is not "misread", they just see themselves on Saruman side ?

mystraline 10mo ago

Unsurprising, given that the CEO of Element/Matrix is also selling and creating primarily to that end as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46379589 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46379589

notesinthefield 10mo ago

Ive seen MM instances across defense dev teams for quite a while specifically to avoid Teams bs in the air force, gov teams does not like mixing with other orgs. Now it seems they’re actually going for contracts and Ill bet great money are mostly funded by USAF. Im very, very surprised.

bayindirh 10mo ago

I just read the copy on Mattermost's website. I believe you can't go more cringe than this for a group chat application. Wonder whether they do weapons integrations for this. Urgh.

cess11 10mo ago
Every software development organisation I've been in that used Mattermost built integrations with monitoring, build pipelines, LDAP queries and the like. I'm sure organisations in war would do similar things, but with the tools of their 'craft'.