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I used to use Mattermost. Highly recommend looking at Zulip as an alternative. (It’s my favourite slack alternative and even better than Slack because it’s the
by carolosf 9mo ago
I used to use Mattermost. Highly recommend looking at Zulip as an alternative. (It’s my favourite slack alternative and even better than Slack because it’s the best at managing distractions IMO. It also has an interesting history was acquired by Dropbox and then back from Dropbox I believe)
- paper2d 9mo agoZulip too has similar restrictions even on their self hosted plans. SAML/LDAP is behind paywall too.
- gtech1 9mo agoWhat restrictions have you hit ?
- paper2d 9mo agoSeeing their pricing page, mobile notifications for upto 10 users is too less.
- gtech1 9mo agoBut you mentioned similar...this is a discussion about message limits (and saml ?). Those are free for self hosted. Push uses _their_ services. That's why it costs $$$. But you can build your own apns endpoint and plug into that at that volume
- emptysongglass 9mo agoPush costs pennies. It's an arbitrary restriction.
- gtech1 9mo agoThen you pay for it. Nothing stops you
- emptysongglass 9mo agoThat's precisely my point. It's an arbitrary rent-seeking restriction.
- dlkckvll 9mo agoPublishing an app in popular app stores, for an organization, requires several $100 in annual fees. That’s before any mobile app is even published.
- gtech1 9mo agoAt this point I think he's just trolling. Nobody can be this entitled
- emptysongglass 9mo agoIt's a yearly fee that amounts to a couple hundred dollars. That's about an hour of an engineer's salary. Zulip's customers make this less than a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of a rounding error.
- Volundr 9mo agoIf you want to run your own push for pennies all you have to do is compile the client yourself.
- emptysongglass 9mo agoI'm not going to recompile and redistribute a binary outside the Play Store.
- Volundr 9mo agoThen your piggybacking on their infrastructure. I don't think they are unreasonable. "It can be done for pennies, but I won't" sort of implies that it does indeed take more than pennies worth of effort.
- bayindirh 9mo agoJust looked to their self hosted plans: - No limitation on search, members, etc. - 10 user limit for mobile notifications, can be relaxed via community (for non-profits, FOSS projects, etc.) - SAML/LDAP *support* is available, you can configure it. They won't provide answers to your questions. - Actually, all Zulip features are enabled sans Mobile Notifications, but for most of them, you're on your own. If you know what you're doing, it's not a problem, I assume. IOW, for self-hosted plans, you pay for support, not the software. a-la early RedHat model. Ref: https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted-sponsorships https://zulip.com/plans/#self-hosted-sponsorships
- Valodim 9mo agoThis is false, SAML and LDAP are available. Zulip self hosted has all features with no restrictions, except for mobile notifications which require a subscription for $3.50/u/m (unless you are less than 10 users or are not a non-profit of any kind)
- RobotToaster 9mo ago> unless you are less than 10 users or are not a non-profit of any kind They only give free accounts to non-profits with zero paid staff.
- zukzuk 9mo agoIt’s a bit odd though that Zulip charge $ for mobile notifications but still don’t have basic end-to-end encryption for those push notifications .
- Valodim 9mo agoThe feature is deployed in the server, mobile clients are still pending the release iinm. But it's coming.
- PunchyHamster 9mo agoIt's a mix of "because they can" and "because they need to maintain infrastructure for mobile push".
- paper2d 9mo agoI stand corrected. SAML & LDAP is free in zulip.
- gtech1 9mo agoI love Zulip too, use it daily, wrote some nice integrations for it. Never got why people preferred Mattermost over it
- j45 9mo agoHope Zulip's discoverability improves.
- sundarurfriend 9mo agoIn what sense?
- mort96 9mo agoZulip is a kind of annoying name, and every time I encounter it it's in the context of some open source platform hiding their community discussion forum behind a login. I'm left with a not very great impression.
- jasongrout 9mo agoFYI, for a while now you can mark any Zulip channel as public, which means the chat history for that channel does not require a login to view. See https://zulip.com/help/public-access-option https://zulip.com/help/public-access-option for more details.
- IshKebab 9mo ago
- fittingopposite 9mo agoHow does Zulip compare to Matrix/Element?