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There's far more of that, starting with the lack of a stable ABI in gnu/linux distros. Eventually Valve or Google (with Android) are gonna swoop in with a user-

There's far more of that, starting with the lack of a stable ABI in gnu/linux distros. Eventually Valve or Google (with Android) are gonna swoop in with a user-friendly, targetable by devs OS that's actually a single platform

cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
I don't have a whole lot of faith in Google, based on considerable experience with developing for Android. Put plainly, it's a mess, and even with improvements in recent years there's enough low-hanging fruit for improving its developer story that much of it has fallen off the tree and stands a foot thick on the ground.
- api 10mo ago
  Mobile in general is a disappointment. iOS is better but not great. It was a real chance to get a lot of things right that sucked on desktop, and that chance was mostly squandered.
  - cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
    At least iOS made the deep and robust AppKit/Cocoa the foundation of its primary kit and then over the years made sensible QoL changes, resulting in something reasonably pleasant to write for. That, and it doesn’t fight you and make you jump through hoops if you’d rather use some flavor of C, C++, or something else LLVM can handle instead of a JVM-something. That goes a long way.
  - likeclockwork 10mo ago
    Mobile is completely hamstrung, all of the effort went into creating as much vendor lock-in as possible rather than into creating a useful pocket computer. There's all this cool tech on and adjacent to mobile that you can't actually use in any meaningful way because every aspect of it is someone's money patch and they don't want to work together.
  - MarsIronPI 10mo ago
    I'm absolutely not a normal user, but I love the experience on the Pinephone, because I can use the same stack as on desktop.
- MarsIronPI 10mo ago
  Except that Android doesn't have a fixed ABI either. Google Play requires apps to rebuild targeting the latest Android ABI all the time. They have one year after each release to update or be removed.
ninth_ant 10mo ago
Ubuntu LTS is currently on track to be that. Both in the server and desktop space, in my personal experience it feels like a rising number of commercial apps are targeting that distro specifically. It’s not my distribution of choice, but it’s currently doing exactly what you suggest.
- cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
  The problem with any LTS release is lack of support for newer hardware. Not as much of an issue for an enthusiast or sysadmin who's likely to be using well-supported hardware, but can be a huge one for a more typical end user hoping to run Linux on their recently purchased laptop.
  - kristianp 10mo ago
    Is that true? I did just that on my newly purchsed laptop in 2023. It was a thinkpad though.
    - cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
      That may have been from a generation that’d been out for many months or a year, or was built on a CPU and chipset that’d been out for quite some time already. The problem is that Linux can’t handle hardware it doesn’t have drivers for (or can only run it in an extremely basic mode), and LTS kernels only have drivers for hardware that existed prior to their release.
  - ninth_ant 10mo ago
    Canonical has demonstrated a willingness to work with vendors to get their software preinstalled or supported. So they already are the major player in this game and will have a leg up on others trying to enter the same space.
- mips_avatar 10mo ago
  I just installed Ubuntu again after a few years, and it’s striking how familiar the pain points are—especially around graphics. If Ubuntu LTS is positioning itself as the standard commercial Linux target, it has to clearly outperform Windows on fundamentals, not just ideology. Linux feels perpetually one breakthrough release away from actually displacing it.
thewebguyd 10mo ago
The enterprise distros do provide that, somewhat. That's why, RHEL for example, has such a long support lifecycle. It's so you can develop software targeting RHEL specifically, and know you have a stable environment for 10+ years. RHEL sells a stable (as in unchanging) OS for x number of years to target.
- nineteen999 10mo ago
  And if you want to follow the RHEL shaped bleeding edge you can develop on latest Fedora. I'll often do this, develop/package and Fedora and then build on RHEL as well.
singron 10mo ago
Isn't that the steam linux runtime? Games linked against the runtime many years ago still run on modern distros.
LeFantome 10mo ago
Valve has been pretty clear that Win32 is the platform.

cosmic_cheese 10mo ago

I don't have a whole lot of faith in Google, based on considerable experience with developing for Android. Put plainly, it's a mess, and even with improvements in recent years there's enough low-hanging fruit for improving its developer story that much of it has fallen off the tree and stands a foot thick on the ground.

api 10mo ago
Mobile in general is a disappointment. iOS is better but not great. It was a real chance to get a lot of things right that sucked on desktop, and that chance was mostly squandered.
- cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
  At least iOS made the deep and robust AppKit/Cocoa the foundation of its primary kit and then over the years made sensible QoL changes, resulting in something reasonably pleasant to write for. That, and it doesn’t fight you and make you jump through hoops if you’d rather use some flavor of C, C++, or something else LLVM can handle instead of a JVM-something. That goes a long way.
- likeclockwork 10mo ago
  Mobile is completely hamstrung, all of the effort went into creating as much vendor lock-in as possible rather than into creating a useful pocket computer. There's all this cool tech on and adjacent to mobile that you can't actually use in any meaningful way because every aspect of it is someone's money patch and they don't want to work together.
- MarsIronPI 10mo ago
  I'm absolutely not a normal user, but I love the experience on the Pinephone, because I can use the same stack as on desktop.
MarsIronPI 10mo ago
Except that Android doesn't have a fixed ABI either. Google Play requires apps to rebuild targeting the latest Android ABI all the time. They have one year after each release to update or be removed.

ninth_ant 10mo ago

Ubuntu LTS is currently on track to be that. Both in the server and desktop space, in my personal experience it feels like a rising number of commercial apps are targeting that distro specifically. It’s not my distribution of choice, but it’s currently doing exactly what you suggest.

cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
The problem with any LTS release is lack of support for newer hardware. Not as much of an issue for an enthusiast or sysadmin who's likely to be using well-supported hardware, but can be a huge one for a more typical end user hoping to run Linux on their recently purchased laptop.
- kristianp 10mo ago
  Is that true? I did just that on my newly purchsed laptop in 2023. It was a thinkpad though.
  - cosmic_cheese 10mo ago
    That may have been from a generation that’d been out for many months or a year, or was built on a CPU and chipset that’d been out for quite some time already. The problem is that Linux can’t handle hardware it doesn’t have drivers for (or can only run it in an extremely basic mode), and LTS kernels only have drivers for hardware that existed prior to their release.
- ninth_ant 10mo ago
  Canonical has demonstrated a willingness to work with vendors to get their software preinstalled or supported. So they already are the major player in this game and will have a leg up on others trying to enter the same space.
mips_avatar 10mo ago
I just installed Ubuntu again after a few years, and it’s striking how familiar the pain points are—especially around graphics. If Ubuntu LTS is positioning itself as the standard commercial Linux target, it has to clearly outperform Windows on fundamentals, not just ideology. Linux feels perpetually one breakthrough release away from actually displacing it.

thewebguyd 10mo ago

The enterprise distros do provide that, somewhat. That's why, RHEL for example, has such a long support lifecycle. It's so you can develop software targeting RHEL specifically, and know you have a stable environment for 10+ years. RHEL sells a stable (as in unchanging) OS for x number of years to target.

nineteen999 10mo ago
And if you want to follow the RHEL shaped bleeding edge you can develop on latest Fedora. I'll often do this, develop/package and Fedora and then build on RHEL as well.

singron 10mo ago

Isn't that the steam linux runtime? Games linked against the runtime many years ago still run on modern distros.

LeFantome 10mo ago

Valve has been pretty clear that Win32 is the platform.