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It’s saved so over 15,000 lives and protected the human rights of millions of Salvadorans. Truly a great accomplishment. I’m excited to see what positive cover

by _3u10 10mo ago

It’s saved so over 15,000 lives and protected the human rights of millions of Salvadorans. Truly a great accomplishment. I’m excited to see what positive coverage CBS has of this great development in human rights in El Salvador.

manuelmoreale 10mo ago
Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 5: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.
- _3u10 10mo ago
  Agreed. 15,000 el Salvadorans have not been subjected to arbitrary execution. A triumph of the rule of law.
FridayoLeary 10mo ago
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- manuelmoreale 10mo ago
  How about caring for both? How about that as an idea? It’s impossible for you to accept that you can arrest and jail all those people to protect the lives of regular citizens but also not torture them while they are in jail?
- ozozozd 10mo ago
  Sigh… there is no such thing as forfeiting your human rights by committing a crime. You only forfeit your freedom temporarily. And why mention that inmates have forfeited their human rights if you see no evidence of abuse? Weird thing to pre-argue.
  - FridayoLeary 10mo ago
    Of course there is. Freedom is a pretty fundamental human right. We don't mind taking it away from some people, sometimes permanently. Then of course the death penalty is a thing. Now organised abuse, or even not taking steps to prevent such abuse is accepted to be a bad thing by most of society so that shouldn't happen. But my concern isn't directed in any way towards violent gangsters that held an entire country hostage.
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- squibonpig 10mo ago
  How do you know who's a violent criminal without a trial?
bakies 10mo ago
What's saved that? The torture camp? You know bukele _is associated with_ MS13
squibonpig 10mo ago
I don't know enough about El Salvador's politics to know whether the mass imprisoning brought down the gang murders and improved stuff on the street, but why, once you've got people trapped and unable to do harm, can't you go back through them using officials you audit for gang influence or whatever and have individual trials? Instead, they did a farcical hundred-person-at-a-time show trial for the people they imprisoned, so who knows what portion were guilty. What it makes clear to me is that there's no interest here in identifying the innocent or guilty, but plenty of interest in keeping the undistinguished mix caged up like dogs in a kennel for the rest of their lives. What excuses do you make for that?

by _3u10 10mo ago

manuelmoreale 10mo ago

Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 5: No one shall be subjected to torture or to cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment.

_3u10 10mo ago
Agreed. 15,000 el Salvadorans have not been subjected to arbitrary execution. A triumph of the rule of law.

FridayoLeary 10mo ago

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manuelmoreale 10mo ago
How about caring for both? How about that as an idea? It’s impossible for you to accept that you can arrest and jail all those people to protect the lives of regular citizens but also not torture them while they are in jail?
ozozozd 10mo ago
Sigh… there is no such thing as forfeiting your human rights by committing a crime. You only forfeit your freedom temporarily. And why mention that inmates have forfeited their human rights if you see no evidence of abuse? Weird thing to pre-argue.
- FridayoLeary 10mo ago
  Of course there is. Freedom is a pretty fundamental human right. We don't mind taking it away from some people, sometimes permanently. Then of course the death penalty is a thing. Now organised abuse, or even not taking steps to prevent such abuse is accepted to be a bad thing by most of society so that shouldn't happen. But my concern isn't directed in any way towards violent gangsters that held an entire country hostage.
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squibonpig 10mo ago
How do you know who's a violent criminal without a trial?

bakies 10mo ago

What's saved that? The torture camp? You know bukele _is associated with_ MS13

squibonpig 10mo ago

I don't know enough about El Salvador's politics to know whether the mass imprisoning brought down the gang murders and improved stuff on the street, but why, once you've got people trapped and unable to do harm, can't you go back through them using officials you audit for gang influence or whatever and have individual trials? Instead, they did a farcical hundred-person-at-a-time show trial for the people they imprisoned, so who knows what portion were guilty. What it makes clear to me is that there's no interest here in identifying the innocent or guilty, but plenty of interest in keeping the undistinguished mix caged up like dogs in a kennel for the rest of their lives. What excuses do you make for that?