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I’ve gone through all the previous submission and I still don’t understand what this is about. I mean i can get bits and pieces from the comments but I miss the

by skrebbel 10mo ago

I’ve gone through all the previous submission and I still don’t understand what this is about. I mean i can get bits and pieces from the comments but I miss the big picture. I’m neither American nor terminally online, so that might be why. Who is Bari Weiss? Why does it matter what she thinks? Without watching an hour of American TV, what’s in that episode that she wants it suppressed so bad? I mean we all know that the US sends people without due process to a Salvatoran prison, that’s (terrible and) not new. So what is, that it gets HN this hotheaded?

ZeroGravitas 10mo ago
She was also installed in her role by Oracle's Larry Ellison and his son, Paramount CEO David Ellison, which gives it extra tech credentials.
- piva00 10mo ago
  Which is the connection I think is interesting to be discussed in the tech circles, we all know that Larry Ellison is dangerous from how heavy handed Oracle always has been with lawsuits. Now that he is part of the inner circles of the US government, and through his son trying to reach into traditional media it significantly increases the damage potential he can do. Given the quote from him that mass surveillance would "keep citizens in their best behaviour" it's actually frightening he managed to create proxy censorship through CBS, he's not even that far disconnected, it's simply: Larry Ellison -> David Ellison -> Paramount -> Beri Weiss -> CBS.
newsclues 10mo ago
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kasey_junk 10mo ago
Bari Weiss is a conservative journalist that was appointed to the head of cbs under the appearance of being a suck up to Trump. Trump has attacked critical news organizations aggressively and that includes 60 minutes. The fear when she was, recently, appointed was that she’d exert editorial control to hide stories critical of Trump. This episode being buried at least has the appearance of this happening.
- skrebbel 10mo ago
  Appreciate it. Clearly (from other responses) I didnt even understand what I didn't understand and therefore phrased my question badly. This was the context I was missing.
zug_zug 10mo ago
Seems shocking and appalling to me. In sure an AI could explain how corrupt this is to you if you feed it the article.
yibers 10mo ago
I am in the same boat as you. I believe it's mainly a Streisand effect
huhkerrf 10mo ago
Bari Weiss is a woman who used to be an editor and opinion columnist at the NYT. She was pushed out of the NYT. Some claim she quit to become a martyr to those on the right, but if you look at what happened, like her co-workers openly insulting her in the company chat, it doesn't look good. She went on to found a center right online publication. Then she was named the head of CBS News. She's arguably less qualified than most, but she's not as unqualified as others claim she is. All of this has gotten people really worked up about her. It's worth noting, I guess, that she's also a lesbian. I only say that because I've noticed that it's most often people who have the "right" social characteristics that get the most aggressive responses. The people criticizing her wouldn't expect a white male to do anything else, but those that step out like Weiss often get the most pushback.
- dgacmu 10mo ago
  I think you're skipping part of the reason people are annoyed at her: she had consistently claimed that she's trying to advance the case of free speech (her publication was even called "the free press"). So there's a great deal of hypocrisy in her imposing top-down pro-regime censorship on a major news organization.
  - huhkerrf 10mo ago
    That's a decent point, but I left it out for two reasons. One is that she's the head of the news department. Part of her job is to decide what goes out or not. Two is that it isn't clear if it's postponed or not.
    - Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
      I felt like your comment above about Weiss' background was actually misleading because you did leave out the most important current point about her, which is that she appears to be a conservative enforcer and was only appointed to the position because they thought she would block negative things about conservatives. And she has done exactly that in this case.
  - ZeroGravitas 10mo ago
comrh 10mo ago
HN is pretty consistently anti censorship
- jeltz 10mo ago
  Which is why people flag anything negative about Trump?
  - ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
    I wonder if a positive story about Trump would similarly get flagged?
- rubyfan 10mo ago
  But also trying desperately to not become another divisive hotbed of online flame war.
  - metalman 10mo ago
    yes, but a refusal to at least soberly acknowledge tech's central place in human conflict and it's litteral weaponisation would be another death by capitulation. that this place retains a certain civility whilst ubber geeks, money grubbers, lightly bored acedemics, and every variety of ax grinders have a go, is testement enough. the common denominators bieng drive, curiosity, and however grudgingly to count someone elses point, or let it go. though I will posit that the stakes are higher than just this place, as tech is central to everything now, and figuring that out is everyones respinsibility, so a little heat is guaranteed. Bieng a pyrologist it's something I am comfortable working with, and while I might discuss something hot, I wont shove somebodys head in the flames. no adhominum right.
- delichon 10mo ago
  What's the association between censorship and an editor of a publication making an editorial decision about an item? Those appear to be different subjects. Or is it censorship of B when an editor decides to cover A today instead? If I buy a car with a Make Love Not War bumper sticker and cover it with a Peace Through Strength bumper sticker, I have not committed censorship, but if I don't buy the car first, I have.
WackyFighter 10mo ago
Bari Weiss is well known and influential Journalist if you are an American Politico, I never found her particularly interesting. Outside of that she doesn't have much name recognition. It is like Glenn Greenwald, if you care about Snowden you probably know who he is.
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ludicrousdispla 10mo ago
The 'postponed' 60 Minutes segment is only 15 minutes long... https://archive.org/details/insidececot https://archive.org/details/insidececot
ksynwa 10mo ago
People are upset that an investigation piece on a concetration camp got spiked due to purely political reasons. I am not sure what is confusing about it.
lurking_swe 10mo ago
as another not-terminally-online person, have my upvote.
tim333 10mo ago
>Without watching an hour of American TV If you just watch the first five minutes you'll have more idea of why it's bad. The whole thing is 15 mins.

ZeroGravitas 10mo ago

She was also installed in her role by Oracle's Larry Ellison and his son, Paramount CEO David Ellison, which gives it extra tech credentials.

piva00 10mo ago
Which is the connection I think is interesting to be discussed in the tech circles, we all know that Larry Ellison is dangerous from how heavy handed Oracle always has been with lawsuits. Now that he is part of the inner circles of the US government, and through his son trying to reach into traditional media it significantly increases the damage potential he can do. Given the quote from him that mass surveillance would "keep citizens in their best behaviour" it's actually frightening he managed to create proxy censorship through CBS, he's not even that far disconnected, it's simply: Larry Ellison -> David Ellison -> Paramount -> Beri Weiss -> CBS.

newsclues 10mo ago

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kasey_junk 10mo ago

Bari Weiss is a conservative journalist that was appointed to the head of cbs under the appearance of being a suck up to Trump. Trump has attacked critical news organizations aggressively and that includes 60 minutes. The fear when she was, recently, appointed was that she’d exert editorial control to hide stories critical of Trump. This episode being buried at least has the appearance of this happening.

skrebbel 10mo ago
Appreciate it. Clearly (from other responses) I didnt even understand what I didn't understand and therefore phrased my question badly. This was the context I was missing.

zug_zug 10mo ago

Seems shocking and appalling to me. In sure an AI could explain how corrupt this is to you if you feed it the article.

yibers 10mo ago

I am in the same boat as you. I believe it's mainly a Streisand effect

huhkerrf 10mo ago

Bari Weiss is a woman who used to be an editor and opinion columnist at the NYT. She was pushed out of the NYT. Some claim she quit to become a martyr to those on the right, but if you look at what happened, like her co-workers openly insulting her in the company chat, it doesn't look good. She went on to found a center right online publication. Then she was named the head of CBS News. She's arguably less qualified than most, but she's not as unqualified as others claim she is. All of this has gotten people really worked up about her. It's worth noting, I guess, that she's also a lesbian. I only say that because I've noticed that it's most often people who have the "right" social characteristics that get the most aggressive responses. The people criticizing her wouldn't expect a white male to do anything else, but those that step out like Weiss often get the most pushback.

dgacmu 10mo ago
I think you're skipping part of the reason people are annoyed at her: she had consistently claimed that she's trying to advance the case of free speech (her publication was even called "the free press"). So there's a great deal of hypocrisy in her imposing top-down pro-regime censorship on a major news organization.
- huhkerrf 10mo ago
  That's a decent point, but I left it out for two reasons. One is that she's the head of the news department. Part of her job is to decide what goes out or not. Two is that it isn't clear if it's postponed or not.
  - Alive-in-2025 10mo ago
    I felt like your comment above about Weiss' background was actually misleading because you did leave out the most important current point about her, which is that she appears to be a conservative enforcer and was only appointed to the position because they thought she would block negative things about conservatives. And she has done exactly that in this case.
- ZeroGravitas 10mo ago

comrh 10mo ago

HN is pretty consistently anti censorship

jeltz 10mo ago
Which is why people flag anything negative about Trump?
- ndsipa_pomu 10mo ago
  I wonder if a positive story about Trump would similarly get flagged?
rubyfan 10mo ago
But also trying desperately to not become another divisive hotbed of online flame war.
- metalman 10mo ago
  yes, but a refusal to at least soberly acknowledge tech's central place in human conflict and it's litteral weaponisation would be another death by capitulation. that this place retains a certain civility whilst ubber geeks, money grubbers, lightly bored acedemics, and every variety of ax grinders have a go, is testement enough. the common denominators bieng drive, curiosity, and however grudgingly to count someone elses point, or let it go. though I will posit that the stakes are higher than just this place, as tech is central to everything now, and figuring that out is everyones respinsibility, so a little heat is guaranteed. Bieng a pyrologist it's something I am comfortable working with, and while I might discuss something hot, I wont shove somebodys head in the flames. no adhominum right.
delichon 10mo ago
What's the association between censorship and an editor of a publication making an editorial decision about an item? Those appear to be different subjects. Or is it censorship of B when an editor decides to cover A today instead? If I buy a car with a Make Love Not War bumper sticker and cover it with a Peace Through Strength bumper sticker, I have not committed censorship, but if I don't buy the car first, I have.

WackyFighter 10mo ago

Bari Weiss is well known and influential Journalist if you are an American Politico, I never found her particularly interesting. Outside of that she doesn't have much name recognition. It is like Glenn Greenwald, if you care about Snowden you probably know who he is.

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ludicrousdispla 10mo ago

The 'postponed' 60 Minutes segment is only 15 minutes long... https://archive.org/details/insidececot https://archive.org/details/insidececot

ksynwa 10mo ago

People are upset that an investigation piece on a concetration camp got spiked due to purely political reasons. I am not sure what is confusing about it.

lurking_swe 10mo ago

as another not-terminally-online person, have my upvote.

tim333 10mo ago

>Without watching an hour of American TV If you just watch the first five minutes you'll have more idea of why it's bad. The whole thing is 15 mins.