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Wait aren't schools "gun-free zones"? How could there be a shooting if it's gun-free? Or did the bullet come from outside the zone?

by gosub100 10mo ago

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zamadatix 10mo ago
If we all resorted to snarky replies on HN then the conversation would be in a sad state despite the posting in the guidelines saying not to. Of course the posting of the guidelines is not the source of their enforcement, it's just a notice of what will be corrected by the mods via means other than written notice or group encouragement towards the environment the guidelines create. While that doesn't drive comments against the guidelines to 0, I think it does a better job than if we all took to being as a defense to snark instead.
seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
Guns are incredibly available in the USA unlike in places like Europe, Australia, Japan, China, etc… you don’t have ~20 million guns being produced per year for civilian use without them getting basically everywhere. Gun control is very ineffective if you don’t do something about supply as well.
- 15155 10mo ago
  I can produce a 1911, Glock, or an AR-15 in all of these places in under a day and no law can really prevent that. The tech isn't going anywhere, it's a century old.
  - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
    You are underestimating the quality and scale of American gun production. You can make your own gun, sure, or get an old one, maybe it won’t even blow your hand off. This is the one manufacturing area that the Americans have a clear advantage over the Chinese in.
    - 15155 10mo ago
      I use Chinese contract CNC providers for non-firearm parts all the time: you're sorely mistaken if you think any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one.
      - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
        They can't produce those designs or even gun parts without risking the death penalty, so no private business will go near them, and they definitely won't specialize in it. > any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one. Once. They do it once, then there is a huge death penalty trial that is rehashed on CCTV for weeks. You definitely won't get any scale out of it, no one will invest in something that will get them executed, so definitely nothing near to what the Americans can produce as the world's most economical gun producers. These days, it feels like America basically sucks at making anything besides guns. For guns, no one else really compares, and if it weren't for the Darien Gap the whole of the Americas would be overflowing with guns from the USA (also, Brazil also makes lots of guns, meaning the production is roughly divided between the USA in the north and Brazil in the south).
- gosub100 10mo ago
  How would the police be able to stop a violent criminal in the zone if they are not allowed to bring their guns?
  - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
    The PAP (People's Armed Police) and the PLA have guns produced from closely regulated SOEs (not private enterprises allowed). The normal People's Police do not have guns, which makes sense since neither do the criminals (because guns are so unavailable in China they are almost impossible to get ahold of).
    - gosub100 10mo ago
      I agree that if guns are so dangerous they must be taken from the police.

Wait aren't schools "gun-free zones"? How could there be a shooting if it's gun-free? Or did the bullet come from outside the zone?

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zamadatix 10mo ago

If we all resorted to snarky replies on HN then the conversation would be in a sad state despite the posting in the guidelines saying not to. Of course the posting of the guidelines is not the source of their enforcement, it's just a notice of what will be corrected by the mods via means other than written notice or group encouragement towards the environment the guidelines create. While that doesn't drive comments against the guidelines to 0, I think it does a better job than if we all took to being as a defense to snark instead.

seanmcdirmid 10mo ago

Guns are incredibly available in the USA unlike in places like Europe, Australia, Japan, China, etc… you don’t have ~20 million guns being produced per year for civilian use without them getting basically everywhere. Gun control is very ineffective if you don’t do something about supply as well.

15155 10mo ago
I can produce a 1911, Glock, or an AR-15 in all of these places in under a day and no law can really prevent that. The tech isn't going anywhere, it's a century old.
- seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
  You are underestimating the quality and scale of American gun production. You can make your own gun, sure, or get an old one, maybe it won’t even blow your hand off. This is the one manufacturing area that the Americans have a clear advantage over the Chinese in.
  - 15155 10mo ago
    I use Chinese contract CNC providers for non-firearm parts all the time: you're sorely mistaken if you think any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one.
    - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
      They can't produce those designs or even gun parts without risking the death penalty, so no private business will go near them, and they definitely won't specialize in it. > any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one. Once. They do it once, then there is a huge death penalty trial that is rehashed on CCTV for weeks. You definitely won't get any scale out of it, no one will invest in something that will get them executed, so definitely nothing near to what the Americans can produce as the world's most economical gun producers. These days, it feels like America basically sucks at making anything besides guns. For guns, no one else really compares, and if it weren't for the Darien Gap the whole of the Americas would be overflowing with guns from the USA (also, Brazil also makes lots of guns, meaning the production is roughly divided between the USA in the north and Brazil in the south).
gosub100 10mo ago
How would the police be able to stop a violent criminal in the zone if they are not allowed to bring their guns?
- seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
  The PAP (People's Armed Police) and the PLA have guns produced from closely regulated SOEs (not private enterprises allowed). The normal People's Police do not have guns, which makes sense since neither do the criminals (because guns are so unavailable in China they are almost impossible to get ahold of).
  - gosub100 10mo ago
    I agree that if guns are so dangerous they must be taken from the police.