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Our local high school has had a shooting or stabbing in 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Last month, 2 students were shot and there have been 3 lockdowns at the scho

by maylwoo 10mo ago

Our local high school has had a shooting or stabbing in 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Last month, 2 students were shot and there have been 3 lockdowns at the school so far this year (that's 3 in 3 months). This school is in one of the most affluent parts of the bay area (in the hills surrounded by multi-mullion dollar homes and redwood trees). For most of my life, I've been ambivalent about surveillance cameras (neither in favor nor against them) but now I lean towards supporting efforts to install them (especially since the shootings at Brown and MIT). If they eventually help to apprehend a killer before they hurt someone else or cause people to think twice about even bringing a weapon to a school, then that benefit overrides any "atmosphere of distrust." Nobody wants to get a call that their child has been shot at school.

cruffle_duffle 10mo ago
San Francisco was one of the harshest lockdown cities on the planet with one of the longest school closures anywhere in the industrialized world. West coast cities absolutely fucked over their kids.
gosub100 10mo ago
Wait aren't schools "gun-free zones"? How could there be a shooting if it's gun-free? Or did the bullet come from outside the zone?
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- zamadatix 10mo ago
  If we all resorted to snarky replies on HN then the conversation would be in a sad state despite the posting in the guidelines saying not to. Of course the posting of the guidelines is not the source of their enforcement, it's just a notice of what will be corrected by the mods via means other than written notice or group encouragement towards the environment the guidelines create. While that doesn't drive comments against the guidelines to 0, I think it does a better job than if we all took to being as a defense to snark instead.
- seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
  Guns are incredibly available in the USA unlike in places like Europe, Australia, Japan, China, etc… you don’t have ~20 million guns being produced per year for civilian use without them getting basically everywhere. Gun control is very ineffective if you don’t do something about supply as well.
  - 15155 10mo ago
    I can produce a 1911, Glock, or an AR-15 in all of these places in under a day and no law can really prevent that. The tech isn't going anywhere, it's a century old.
    - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
      You are underestimating the quality and scale of American gun production. You can make your own gun, sure, or get an old one, maybe it won’t even blow your hand off. This is the one manufacturing area that the Americans have a clear advantage over the Chinese in.
      - 15155 10mo ago
        I use Chinese contract CNC providers for non-firearm parts all the time: you're sorely mistaken if you think any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one.
        seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
        They can't produce those designs or even gun parts without risking the death penalty, so no private business will go near them, and they definitely won't specialize in it. > any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one. Once. They do it once, then there is a huge death penalty trial that is rehashed on CCTV for weeks. You definitely won't get any scale out of it, no one will invest in something that will get them executed, so definitely nothing near to what the Americans can produce as the world's most economical gun producers. These days, it feels like America basically sucks at making anything besides guns. For guns, no one else really compares, and if it weren't for the Darien Gap the whole of the Americas would be overflowing with guns from the USA (also, Brazil also makes lots of guns, meaning the production is roughly divided between the USA in the north and Brazil in the south).
graemep 10mo ago
> Our local high school has had a shooting or stabbing in 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Last month, 2 students were shot That is astonishing. How do people tolerate that risk to their kids? I would refuse to send my children to a school that dangerous. I have lived in a country that had a civil war and large scale terrorism and my kids were never exposed to that level of danger. My school had one stabbing in its history, which is not not far short of two hundred years. That is my expectation of the norm for a school.
- maylwoo 10mo ago
  This was at Skyline High in the Oakland hills. Most people who live in the area send their kids to private schools. A few days after the shooting, another school shooting took place - this time, at Laney Community college just a few miles away. The former football coach (who had also been a coach at Skyline) was killed.
  - maylwoo 10mo ago
    > How do people tolerate that risk to their kids? They have no choice. If they're sending their kids to the public school, they can't afford private school.

by maylwoo 10mo ago

cruffle_duffle 10mo ago

San Francisco was one of the harshest lockdown cities on the planet with one of the longest school closures anywhere in the industrialized world. West coast cities absolutely fucked over their kids.

gosub100 10mo ago

Wait aren't schools "gun-free zones"? How could there be a shooting if it's gun-free? Or did the bullet come from outside the zone?

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zamadatix 10mo ago
If we all resorted to snarky replies on HN then the conversation would be in a sad state despite the posting in the guidelines saying not to. Of course the posting of the guidelines is not the source of their enforcement, it's just a notice of what will be corrected by the mods via means other than written notice or group encouragement towards the environment the guidelines create. While that doesn't drive comments against the guidelines to 0, I think it does a better job than if we all took to being as a defense to snark instead.
seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
Guns are incredibly available in the USA unlike in places like Europe, Australia, Japan, China, etc… you don’t have ~20 million guns being produced per year for civilian use without them getting basically everywhere. Gun control is very ineffective if you don’t do something about supply as well.
- 15155 10mo ago
  I can produce a 1911, Glock, or an AR-15 in all of these places in under a day and no law can really prevent that. The tech isn't going anywhere, it's a century old.
  - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
    You are underestimating the quality and scale of American gun production. You can make your own gun, sure, or get an old one, maybe it won’t even blow your hand off. This is the one manufacturing area that the Americans have a clear advantage over the Chinese in.
    - 15155 10mo ago
      I use Chinese contract CNC providers for non-firearm parts all the time: you're sorely mistaken if you think any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one.
      - seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
        They can't produce those designs or even gun parts without risking the death penalty, so no private business will go near them, and they definitely won't specialize in it. > any random Chinese millshop can't produce a 100-year-old design just as well as any American one. Once. They do it once, then there is a huge death penalty trial that is rehashed on CCTV for weeks. You definitely won't get any scale out of it, no one will invest in something that will get them executed, so definitely nothing near to what the Americans can produce as the world's most economical gun producers. These days, it feels like America basically sucks at making anything besides guns. For guns, no one else really compares, and if it weren't for the Darien Gap the whole of the Americas would be overflowing with guns from the USA (also, Brazil also makes lots of guns, meaning the production is roughly divided between the USA in the north and Brazil in the south).

graemep 10mo ago

> Our local high school has had a shooting or stabbing in 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Last month, 2 students were shot That is astonishing. How do people tolerate that risk to their kids? I would refuse to send my children to a school that dangerous. I have lived in a country that had a civil war and large scale terrorism and my kids were never exposed to that level of danger. My school had one stabbing in its history, which is not not far short of two hundred years. That is my expectation of the norm for a school.

maylwoo 10mo ago
This was at Skyline High in the Oakland hills. Most people who live in the area send their kids to private schools. A few days after the shooting, another school shooting took place - this time, at Laney Community college just a few miles away. The former football coach (who had also been a coach at Skyline) was killed.
- maylwoo 10mo ago
  > How do people tolerate that risk to their kids? They have no choice. If they're sending their kids to the public school, they can't afford private school.