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What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on s
by linuxhansl 10mo ago
What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage.
I'm reminded of threatening tariffs to successfully derail global carbon levy on ship emissions.
Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs.
- andrewflnr 10mo agoIntentionally doing damage started with DOGE. So, roughly day 1.
- bakies 10mo agoyou forgot this is part 2
- andrewflnr 10mo agoOk, right. Intentionally doing damage started at least as early as Jan 6 2021.
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- nailer 10mo ago[flagged]
- watwut 10mo agoThe group that was found to be massively lying every time they released stats in easy to catch ways and wasted more money then they saved?
- amanaplanacanal 10mo agoJust because they call it waste, doesn't make it so. You could cut anything and then justify it by calling it waste. It's all bullshit.
- nutjob2 10mo agoThose "savings" have not withstood careful analysis. Essentially they're nonsense and with the damage they have done the final bill will be much higher than any savings.
- seg_lol 10mo ago14 million dead kids.
- cosmicgadget 10mo agoDo you honestly think federal employees are more corrupt than this administration?
- nailer 10mo agoYes.
- cosmicgadget 10mo agoWhich one had a greater 2025 net worth increase than the president? Which one pardoned people who donated to his campaign or ballroom? Which one is subject to legal reprisal for corruption?
- nailer 10mo agoBusiness tends to vote for pro business parties. I have no idea re: the whitehouse ballroom. There’s been little legal reprisal for federal employee corruption.
- array_key_first 10mo agoJust uh... just waiting for those saving to hit. Yup, ahh... any day now.
- dboreham 10mo ago> we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage That occurred a long time ago with the destruction of USAID and arbitrary firing of large numbers of federal workers.
- nailer 10mo ago[flagged]
- Tostino 10mo agoThere will be an estimated 14 million extra deaths directly attributed to this policy choice: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(25)01186-9/fulltext https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6... 91 million lives were saved over the last two decades. The vast majority of that wasn't "international development" fluff; it was basic survival. We’re talking about stopping tuberculosis, malaria, and starvation. Framing this as getting rid of unwanted "cultural programs" is a convenient way to ignore the fact that we pulled the plug on the life support system for 30 million children.
- stinkbeetle 10mo ago[flagged]
- nailer 10mo agoWhy does medical aid require gay and lesbian cultural programming?
- triceratops 10mo ago> vast amounts of money on cultural programs for countries that didn't want them. I don't understand. How do you give someone money if they don't want it?
- iszomer 10mo agoMore like "if we can't be partners we'll find your enemies and fund them instead." or, "we'll partner with your next of kin who may be more sympathetic [or suggestive] to our concerns."
- huntertwo 10mo agoThe intention is to make specific individuals a lot of money. It has been since day 1.
- schmuckonwheels 10mo ago[flagged]
- SeanAnderson 10mo agoper capita? or?
- Filligree 10mo ago2-3x absolute. And of course they make a lot of our goods.
- fpoling 10mo agoChina population is 4 times of US.
- ceejayoz 10mo agoAnd a good portion of their pollution is on behalf of that much smaller population.
- pengaru 10mo ago> China is by far the world's biggest polluter, by a factor of 2-3x that of the US so let's not paint them as some beacon of environmental stewardship. China's leading the planet in development and deployment of renewable energy tech. What proportion of China's emissions are a consequence of The West's externalizing the manufacturing of what it consumes? At least with China in the driver's seat it looks like the planet's manufacturing needs will actually get cleaned up. Meanwhile the US will keep pearl clutching as it fades into irrelevance and Zimbabwean hyperinflation.
- triceratops 10mo ago> Any investment by China is clearly because they found a way to profit from it An investment that doesn't make a profit is kinda pointless. Business 101. > Your neighbor thinks he's saving the world filling his roof with cheap Chinese solar panels And he's right. God bless him for having more sense than you. > ignoring the toxic chemicals and human cost that went into manufacturing it Yeah no toxic chemicals or human cost whatsoever went into digging up your coal and gasoline. Tell us honestly: why do you gain by lying?
- iwontberude 10mo agoReminiscent of how most water which used to melt into the Great Salt Lake is now being used to farm Alfalfa, which only makes up 1% of their GDP and far fewer jobs than other industries. Of course if this continues for another generation, toxic arsenic dust will pollute and force the failure of Salt Lake City and surrounding regions. Luckily this will cause the agricultural industry to fail (after killing many people) and nature will heal itself.
- JohnTHaller 10mo agoWe've been in the realm of intentionally doing damage for a while now. But we got these cool red hats.
- Herring 10mo ago[flagged]
- watwut 10mo agoHe is going to do to America the same thing he had done to his companies - destroy it. Unfortunately, he fails upwards, so he will take over the whole world and then destroy it all.
- DFHippie 10mo agoHe will die pretty soon. He's just the first stage of the rocket. He thinks he's a pharaoh letting a thousand pyramids bloom, but he's expendable. He'll be gone. People will chisel his name off the monuments he's vandalized. But the people who granted him power like what he's doing. He's somebody's monkey. The hollowing out of the US and the world order that produced western prosperity and security will continue. The people who call the tune to which he dances will call tunes for the next monkey.
- NewJazz 10mo agoTrouble is... You can do it to a few minorities and get away with it. When you act like an asshole to the entire world, well suddenly assholes as big as you are in the minority... Oops.
- Moldoteck 10mo agochina runs with everything. They are still expanding coal units for firming and they'll build a ton of new gas units too. But to ban deployment of wind turbines without any explanation is ... expected from current administration...
- hopelite 10mo agoBeing blind with bias is also expected. I don't like what is going on either, but please consider that if it was only about "damaging" as others have implied, it would not just be off shore wind turbines. I can assure you there are other reasons.
- nerevarthelame 10mo ago>It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. "The Trump administration’s decision to shut down the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths from infectious diseases and malnutrition, according to Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health’s Atul Gawande ... The dismantling of USAID, according to models from Boston University epidemiologist Brooke Nichols, “has already caused the deaths of six hundred thousand people, two-thirds of them children,” Gawande wrote. He noted that the toll will continue to grow and may go unseen because it can take months or years for people to die from lack of treatments or vaccine-preventable illnesses—and because deaths are scattered." [https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hundreds-of-thousands-of-deaths/ https://hsph.harvard.edu/news/usaid-shutdown-has-led-to-hund...]
- ekjhgkejhgk 10mo agoWhat? They've been intentionally doing damage for a long time. Pardoning criminals is one that comes to mind.
- dfxm12 10mo agoPardoning criminals is one that comes to mind. Seriously, the pardons alone make this the most pro-crime administration in my lifetime. Probably ever.
- vkou 10mo agoAt the same time as pardoning the Jan 6 insurrectionists, he's seeking multi-year felony convictions for... People standing in front of an ICE bus.[1] https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/jun/12/stuckart-released-from-jail-as-spokane-police-depa/ https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2025/jun/12/stuckart-relea... [1] Apparently, if Tank Man[2] was present in the US in 2025, he'd be guilty of 'Unlawful imprisonment'. [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Man
- iwontberude 10mo ago[flagged]
- bakies 10mo agonot to deny the allegations but every president has had their arm twisted by Israel and sell out to oil.
- weregiraffe 10mo ago[flagged]
- iwontberude 10mo agoAhh you failed to use scare quotes, so I win
- throw0101d 10mo ago> Meanwhile China runs away with all the clean energy tech (solar, wind, batteries, etc, etc.) while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs. If you're talking about coal miners, David Frum joked / observed that there are more yoga instructors in the US than coal miners: * https://www.sfgate.com/columnists/article/Yoga-teachers-vs-coal-miners-What-really-powers-11200763.php https://www.sfgate.com/columnists/article/Yoga-teachers-vs-c...
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- canyp 10mo agoThat headline really deserves a literary prize. Yoga instructors, assemble!
- MengerSponge 10mo agoAnd that was in 2017! The population of working coal miners shrank by 20% in the last decade, from 50k to 40k https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CEU1021210001#0 https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CEU1021210001#0
- array_key_first 10mo agoAlso coal mining is a shitty ass job. Those people would be much better served working in green energy.
- wnevets 10mo ago> What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. That began almost the moment this administration came into power.
- pheggs 10mo agothere are at least two reasons trump is pushing for oil: 1) the US has lots of oil reserves, which would lose lots of value if everybody was using renewables 2) oil is the main driver for dollar demand, as oil is paid in dollar, allowing the US to have lots of debt relatively cheaply That's also the reason why he wants to tell Europe to stop using renewables, and that's the reason why he is threatening Venezuela - because they have the biggest oil reserve and started selling it in different currencies. Now whether that whole genius strategy to gain wealth through geopolitics is worth an extinction event is a different story.
- Jtsummers 10mo ago> That's also the reason why he wants to tell Europe to stop using renewables, and that's the reason why he is threatening Venezuela - because they have the biggest oil reserve and started selling them not in USD. What's interesting is that the strategy you suggest (tell Europe to stop using renewables, attack nations that compete with US oil sales) only motivates other nations to move away from oil. It's a terrible strategy if the intent is to sell more US oil. Renewables are far more sustainable in many regards, and bolster national energy security while remaining on fossil fuels leaves them weak wrt energy security.
- pheggs 10mo agoit could very well be that it backfires. I guess time will tell. A lot of his actions seem to be trimmed into this direction, and it's not a new one. He left the paris climate agreement quite a while back as far as I remember. blocking offshore wind construction just fits this agenda, as supporting companies to manufacture these windmills would just make everything cheaper (more demand, rising production capacity etc.) and demonstrate actual use of it. At least that's how I see this.
- Jtsummers 10mo ago> it could very well be that it backfires. It's kind of hard to see the strategy you outlined as doing anything other than backfiring. Oil and other fossil fuels are consumables. Once burned, they're gone. For strategic reasons, most nations with any sense and the economic ability to do so are turning away from fossil fuels precisely due to this fact. European nations are not exceptional here, the US is actually the outlier. Your suggested strategy is that the US wants European nations to buy more US oil, and in order to motivate them the US is demonstrating how bad oil dependence is. See Cuba (they depend on Venezuelan oil there). How could a demonstration of the flaws of oil dependency possibly motivate the sale of US oil rather than hasten the move towards solar, wind, and other power sources? This is why I said it's a terrible strategy. Only the non-thinking would go for it.
- simonsarris 10mo agoI hope you realize that China's coal and oil use for electricity is at an all-time high and increasing. They have installed more coal capacity since 2020 than the US has total. US coal usage peaked circa 2000 and has decreased for the last 2 decades. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-source-and-country?stackMode=absolute&country=~CHN https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/energy-consumption-by-sou...
- triceratops 10mo ago> They have installed more coal capacity since 2020 than the US has total 80% or more of new electricity generation in China is renewable. They build coal capacity but they don't use more of it. This year their absolute carbon emissions decreased. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45108292
- simonsarris 10mo agoThat article is about emissions, not admixture. If you look at the source of that article, which they link to: https://carbonmonitor.org/variation https://carbonmonitor.org/variation First off we can now look at the full year instead of 6 months of data, its no longer US +4.2% and China -2.7%, its US +2.0% and China -2.3% China's 2025 YoY emissions decline is almost all due to a decline in industry, not power (1.8% of their 2.3% decline, in other words, most of it). It's understandable to have a lower year if you have an economic slowdown. Russia also had a decline, not for green reasons.
- triceratops 10mo agoTheir economy grew 3% this year and they cut emissions. https://rhg.com/research/chinas-economy-rightsizing-2025-looking-ahead-to-2026/ https://rhg.com/research/chinas-economy-rightsizing-2025-loo... "economic slowdown" is an exaggeration.
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- vkou 10mo ago> What the... It seems we crossed into the realm of intentionally doing damage. He's been doing that since January.
- ugh123 10mo ago>while we hold to fossil fuels to save less than 200,000 jobs. No, not for jobs. Profits, stock bumps, and bonuses for the execs at oil companies and friends of the admin.