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Being overweight is a chronic disease. Just like alcoholism, or any kind of other addictions. I've struggled with alcohol abuse, and once you come to the real

Being overweight is a chronic disease. Just like alcoholism, or any kind of other addictions. I've struggled with alcohol abuse, and once you come to the realization that you're abusing it, the fix FOR ME was relatively simple: I stopped (under medical supervision) drinking, or to be more precise: I stopped starting to drink. I have no problems not drinking, I have a problem that when I start I cannot stop. I have the same issue with food. Not eating is a lot easier than stopping to eat. But I cannot completely stop eating. Yet with alcohol people are like: hey, good for you. With my weight issues people are like: dude, just eat less, or exercise more. (I stopped sharing the food story with people).

true2octave 10mo ago
What works for me is to eat highly nutritious low-glycemic food until I feel full (eggs, avocado, quinoa, etc) Otherwise I over eat crap and gain weight easily
- skrebbel 10mo ago
  How many years have you been able to keep that diet up?
  - true2octave 10mo ago
    Particularly eating a lot of eggs daily for about 3 years
    - nradov 10mo ago
      The Time Magazine cover story in 1984 where they falsely claimed that consuming cholesterol from eggs and other sources was dangerous was a real turning point. That misunderstanding has caused tremendous harm to public health for decades. I think the journalists acted in good faith but they believed junk science. https://time.com/archive/6855517/hold-the-eggs-and-butter/ https://time.com/archive/6855517/hold-the-eggs-and-butter/ https://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1704183_1704257_1704499,00.html https://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,...
- paulpauper 10mo ago
  the problem is, obese or formerly obese people clan eat a lot of anything before the full feeling sets in, no matter what. Eggs, chicken..does not matter.
  - true2octave 10mo ago
    It takes time and discipline to make the stomach smaller I was pre-diabetic at 100kg and went down to 70kg over a year of low carb diet and intermittent fasting It’s a daily struggle trying to NOT eat until literally feeling pain in the belly, and even then, I know if I wait 30 minutes more I can keep eating
    - array_key_first 10mo ago
      > It’s a daily struggle trying to NOT eat until literally feeling pain in the belly, and even then, I know if I wait 30 minutes more I can keep eating Yes, but this is sort of the point. If we can make it not a daily struggle, probably a lot more people would be successful. Generally, I think the solution of "just suffer" is a bad one. If people's solution requires a certain amount of pain, it's probably just a suboptimal solution, and we can do better.
jchw 10mo ago
It's frustrating. "Just Eat Less" is roughly the way to lose weight, but the problem is not that fat people are so unbelievably stupid that they didn't know this. I am sure for some people it really is that simple. Not us. My weight has been a bit of a rollercoaster. I've never been terribly thin, but I've been "not technically obese" from time to time. I'm currently back on the downswing, but God, what a pain in the ass. It feels like gaining weight is incredibly easy and losing it is incredibly hard (and I do believe this is validated by the science, because you wind up with more fat cells when you first gain weight, which I guess is both relieving and terrifying.) No matter how many attempts it takes to fix my body, I'm obviously going to just keep trying, because obesity is horrible for you in so many ways. It saps your energy, it's carcinogenic, it increases your blood pressure and risk of heart disease, but it feels like one of those struggles that is never-ending. I've improved my diet numerous times but it never feels like it's quite enough.
- jeffbee 10mo ago
  > the problem is not that fat people are so unbelievably stupid that they didn't know this I don't suggest this applies to you, but even a small amount of searching around and reading stuff on the web will reveal a substantial subgroup of outright thermodynamics deniers.
  - wwweston 10mo ago
    Can you provide an example of someone who outright denies thermodynamics? I’m familiar with people who believe that there are details of how a body metabolizes fuel , expends energy, and generally operates that escape analysis focused on fuel volume and physical activity. I am familiar with people who characterize this as denial of the laws of thermodynamics, but I am not familiar with anyone who seems to believe that there are situations in which the laws of thermodynamics are outright suspended.
  - randallsquared 10mo ago
    > outright thermodynamics deniers I've heard people say this before, but when reading those arguments it mostly turns out to be people who think there's something more complicated going on with digestion, excretion, or metabolism such that eaten calories are more efficiently used for some, and burned off or passed through without full processing to some degree for people who self-reportedly "can't gain weight".
metalman 10mo ago
since I also share the ability to cold turkey on most anything, what you can completly stop eating is processed food, or anything that requires an advanced chemical engineering degree to decipher, ditch most of the carbs, ALL of the sugar. Meat, veggies,fruit,grains,nuts,the most complex packaged foods I buy are yogurt, and bread from an outfit that contracts farmers to grow wheat, pickles, stuff from wierd and wonderfull ethnic groceries where they openly miss there country and insist on having you try the good stuff!, wild food, tucked away farm markets, but most of all, I put my body in charge, which requires listening, but once you realy clean up, perhaps you will find as I have, that certain off the record indulgences have very significant negative phisiological repercusions, on a one to one basis. but this practice is not for dilly dalyiers, so
- ThrowawayTestr 10mo ago
  I really, really, really like mayonnaise though
  - metalman 10mo ago
    then, get some real farm fresh eggs, and an incubator or whatever, close the old not working chapter,and if you are feeling nostalgic, you can pause for a moment to warm your hands on your burning bridges. we live in a vast sea of excess everything but thinking about it, realy quitting sugar will have profound effects on your sense of taste, and things formerly acceptable can become quite disgusting, and others that were marginaly edible become wonders of taste and delecacy. It is shocking how fantastic varios fruits and vegatables can taste, beyond taste!, when eaten in the field, but only if white crystaline substances are eliminated and purged from your diet. keep in mind, that white crystaline substances, are absolute.There is NO further concentration or enhancement possible,and nature has never saw fit to create such things organicaly, and almost every other white crystaline thing is totaly inert or highly regulated and/or illegal to possess.
paulpauper 10mo ago
I have observed that being addicted drugs gets way more sympathy than being addicted to food even though the neural pathways and other factors are the same.
throw93994orj 10mo ago
Other countries do not have obese people, but have many drinkers! It is issue of food and ingrediences. Too many sugars, fructose syrups from corn... If fat american moves to asian country, he loses fat, without changing a diet.

true2octave 10mo ago

What works for me is to eat highly nutritious low-glycemic food until I feel full (eggs, avocado, quinoa, etc) Otherwise I over eat crap and gain weight easily

skrebbel 10mo ago
How many years have you been able to keep that diet up?
- true2octave 10mo ago
  Particularly eating a lot of eggs daily for about 3 years
  - nradov 10mo ago
    The Time Magazine cover story in 1984 where they falsely claimed that consuming cholesterol from eggs and other sources was dangerous was a real turning point. That misunderstanding has caused tremendous harm to public health for decades. I think the journalists acted in good faith but they believed junk science. https://time.com/archive/6855517/hold-the-eggs-and-butter/ https://time.com/archive/6855517/hold-the-eggs-and-butter/ https://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1704183_1704257_1704499,00.html https://content.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,...
paulpauper 10mo ago
the problem is, obese or formerly obese people clan eat a lot of anything before the full feeling sets in, no matter what. Eggs, chicken..does not matter.
- true2octave 10mo ago
  It takes time and discipline to make the stomach smaller I was pre-diabetic at 100kg and went down to 70kg over a year of low carb diet and intermittent fasting It’s a daily struggle trying to NOT eat until literally feeling pain in the belly, and even then, I know if I wait 30 minutes more I can keep eating
  - array_key_first 10mo ago
    > It’s a daily struggle trying to NOT eat until literally feeling pain in the belly, and even then, I know if I wait 30 minutes more I can keep eating Yes, but this is sort of the point. If we can make it not a daily struggle, probably a lot more people would be successful. Generally, I think the solution of "just suffer" is a bad one. If people's solution requires a certain amount of pain, it's probably just a suboptimal solution, and we can do better.

jchw 10mo ago

It's frustrating. "Just Eat Less" is roughly the way to lose weight, but the problem is not that fat people are so unbelievably stupid that they didn't know this. I am sure for some people it really is that simple. Not us. My weight has been a bit of a rollercoaster. I've never been terribly thin, but I've been "not technically obese" from time to time. I'm currently back on the downswing, but God, what a pain in the ass. It feels like gaining weight is incredibly easy and losing it is incredibly hard (and I do believe this is validated by the science, because you wind up with more fat cells when you first gain weight, which I guess is both relieving and terrifying.) No matter how many attempts it takes to fix my body, I'm obviously going to just keep trying, because obesity is horrible for you in so many ways. It saps your energy, it's carcinogenic, it increases your blood pressure and risk of heart disease, but it feels like one of those struggles that is never-ending. I've improved my diet numerous times but it never feels like it's quite enough.

jeffbee 10mo ago
> the problem is not that fat people are so unbelievably stupid that they didn't know this I don't suggest this applies to you, but even a small amount of searching around and reading stuff on the web will reveal a substantial subgroup of outright thermodynamics deniers.
- wwweston 10mo ago
  Can you provide an example of someone who outright denies thermodynamics? I’m familiar with people who believe that there are details of how a body metabolizes fuel , expends energy, and generally operates that escape analysis focused on fuel volume and physical activity. I am familiar with people who characterize this as denial of the laws of thermodynamics, but I am not familiar with anyone who seems to believe that there are situations in which the laws of thermodynamics are outright suspended.
- randallsquared 10mo ago
  > outright thermodynamics deniers I've heard people say this before, but when reading those arguments it mostly turns out to be people who think there's something more complicated going on with digestion, excretion, or metabolism such that eaten calories are more efficiently used for some, and burned off or passed through without full processing to some degree for people who self-reportedly "can't gain weight".

metalman 10mo ago

since I also share the ability to cold turkey on most anything, what you can completly stop eating is processed food, or anything that requires an advanced chemical engineering degree to decipher, ditch most of the carbs, ALL of the sugar. Meat, veggies,fruit,grains,nuts,the most complex packaged foods I buy are yogurt, and bread from an outfit that contracts farmers to grow wheat, pickles, stuff from wierd and wonderfull ethnic groceries where they openly miss there country and insist on having you try the good stuff!, wild food, tucked away farm markets, but most of all, I put my body in charge, which requires listening, but once you realy clean up, perhaps you will find as I have, that certain off the record indulgences have very significant negative phisiological repercusions, on a one to one basis. but this practice is not for dilly dalyiers, so

ThrowawayTestr 10mo ago
I really, really, really like mayonnaise though
- metalman 10mo ago
  then, get some real farm fresh eggs, and an incubator or whatever, close the old not working chapter,and if you are feeling nostalgic, you can pause for a moment to warm your hands on your burning bridges. we live in a vast sea of excess everything but thinking about it, realy quitting sugar will have profound effects on your sense of taste, and things formerly acceptable can become quite disgusting, and others that were marginaly edible become wonders of taste and delecacy. It is shocking how fantastic varios fruits and vegatables can taste, beyond taste!, when eaten in the field, but only if white crystaline substances are eliminated and purged from your diet. keep in mind, that white crystaline substances, are absolute.There is NO further concentration or enhancement possible,and nature has never saw fit to create such things organicaly, and almost every other white crystaline thing is totaly inert or highly regulated and/or illegal to possess.

paulpauper 10mo ago

I have observed that being addicted drugs gets way more sympathy than being addicted to food even though the neural pathways and other factors are the same.

throw93994orj 10mo ago

Other countries do not have obese people, but have many drinkers! It is issue of food and ingrediences. Too many sugars, fructose syrups from corn... If fat american moves to asian country, he loses fat, without changing a diet.