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Humans certainly are imperfect and make mistakes, but will iterate with the understanding that doing nothing at all and blocking emergency vehicles is untenable

by cmurf 10mo ago

Humans certainly are imperfect and make mistakes, but will iterate with the understanding that doing nothing at all and blocking emergency vehicles is untenable. At the least we will fall back to incentive/disincentive social behavior. People will supply ample friendly and unfriendly advice to try to unwind the knot. Waymo should lose their operating license based on this experience. It's self-evidently dangerous to everyone to be incapable of basic iteration. There's a whole set of law driver's are supposed to follow for handling failed traffic lights. Why have lower expectations of an anonymous car than a human?

seanmcdirmid 10mo ago
> Waymo should lose their operating license based on this experience. Then everyone should lose their licenses as well by your draconian reasoning. Because… > There's a whole set of law driver's are supposed to follow for handling failed traffic lights. And they don’t, it’s chaos. > Why have lower expectations of an anonymous car than a human? You obviously have higher expectations for autonomous cars than humans, it is not the other way around for those of us who disagree with you. The only difference is that Waymo can get better with experience and humans generally don’t.
- jjav 10mo ago
  > > There's a whole set of law driver's are supposed to follow for handling failed traffic lights. > And they don’t, it’s chaos. Do you live in areas where traffic lights go out regularly? Because for human driver it is a non-issue. It becomes an all-way stop and you take turns, it is easy. Traffic throughput slows down a bit, but nothing approaching chaos about it. If waymo can't deal with this, that's a problem.
  - JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
    > for human driver it is a non-issue Genuine question, do we have data for accident rates in traffic-lights-out intersections?
    - bombcar 10mo ago
      If I remember my research correctly, accident rates go up but fatalities and injuries go way down.
will4274 10mo ago
Developing new technologies has risks. In the absence of anything really bad actually happening, I think we can solve the problem by adding new requirements to Waymo's operating license (and all self driving cars) rather than kneecapping the technology.

by cmurf 10mo ago

seanmcdirmid 10mo ago

> Waymo should lose their operating license based on this experience. Then everyone should lose their licenses as well by your draconian reasoning. Because… > There's a whole set of law driver's are supposed to follow for handling failed traffic lights. And they don’t, it’s chaos. > Why have lower expectations of an anonymous car than a human? You obviously have higher expectations for autonomous cars than humans, it is not the other way around for those of us who disagree with you. The only difference is that Waymo can get better with experience and humans generally don’t.

jjav 10mo ago
> > There's a whole set of law driver's are supposed to follow for handling failed traffic lights. > And they don’t, it’s chaos. Do you live in areas where traffic lights go out regularly? Because for human driver it is a non-issue. It becomes an all-way stop and you take turns, it is easy. Traffic throughput slows down a bit, but nothing approaching chaos about it. If waymo can't deal with this, that's a problem.
- JumpCrisscross 10mo ago
  > for human driver it is a non-issue Genuine question, do we have data for accident rates in traffic-lights-out intersections?
  - bombcar 10mo ago
    If I remember my research correctly, accident rates go up but fatalities and injuries go way down.

will4274 10mo ago

Developing new technologies has risks. In the absence of anything really bad actually happening, I think we can solve the problem by adding new requirements to Waymo's operating license (and all self driving cars) rather than kneecapping the technology.