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Ok, but what if your colleague does not have Vim installed? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a tool that brings files over to the local computer, starts Vim

by amelius 11mo ago

Ok, but what if your colleague does not have Vim installed? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a tool that brings files over to the local computer, starts Vim on them, and then copies them back?

Joker_vD 11mo ago
That starts to sound like using VS Code in remote mode.
- exe34 11mo ago
  Emacs in tramp mode.
QuinnyPig 11mo ago
I can’t recall encountering a system in the last 15 years that didn’t have vim (or at least vi for esoteric things) on it.
- deleted 11mo ago
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- SoftTalker 11mo ago
  Would not be uncommon in a container or purpose-built VM.
  - godelski 11mo ago
    Have you run into that? I can't recall ever facing that issue. Seems very weird to strip down that much and then use a different editor. Do you remember if ed was missing in those machines?
    - SoftTalker 11mo ago
      Yes I've run into containers where every utility that wasn't needed to run the service was stripped out. Even tools such as "less."
      - godelski 11mo ago
        So what was the editor?
    - bartvk 11mo ago
      > Do you remember if ed was missing in those machines I had to laugh out loud. I couldn't imagine such a system, that wouldn't be POSIX compliant. So I looked it up, and indeed, it's entirely possible. Debian doesn't necessarily include it. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/609067 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/609067
- godelski 11mo ago
  While not mandatory, vi is part of the POSIX commands. I mean you could use ed or even hack your way with awk, sed, and/or grep but no one wants to deal with that bullshit. And if you're installing vi you might as well install vim, right? I've been on a lot of systems and can't remember a single instance of not having vi (though I do vim). So pretty rare, like you said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_POSIX_commands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_POSIX_commands
sdovan1 11mo ago
We usually work on the VM with daily-built ISO. For example, I would compile and upload Java program to the frontend team member's VM, and type "srt" for "systemctl restart tomcat."

by amelius 11mo ago

Ok, but what if your colleague does not have Vim installed? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a tool that brings files over to the local computer, starts Vim on them, and then copies them back?

Joker_vD 11mo ago

That starts to sound like using VS Code in remote mode.

exe34 11mo ago
Emacs in tramp mode.

QuinnyPig 11mo ago

I can’t recall encountering a system in the last 15 years that didn’t have vim (or at least vi for esoteric things) on it.

deleted 11mo ago
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SoftTalker 11mo ago
Would not be uncommon in a container or purpose-built VM.
- godelski 11mo ago
  Have you run into that? I can't recall ever facing that issue. Seems very weird to strip down that much and then use a different editor. Do you remember if ed was missing in those machines?
  - SoftTalker 11mo ago
    Yes I've run into containers where every utility that wasn't needed to run the service was stripped out. Even tools such as "less."
    - godelski 11mo ago
      So what was the editor?
  - bartvk 11mo ago
    > Do you remember if ed was missing in those machines I had to laugh out loud. I couldn't imagine such a system, that wouldn't be POSIX compliant. So I looked it up, and indeed, it's entirely possible. Debian doesn't necessarily include it. https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/609067 https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/609067
godelski 11mo ago
While not mandatory, vi is part of the POSIX commands. I mean you could use ed or even hack your way with awk, sed, and/or grep but no one wants to deal with that bullshit. And if you're installing vi you might as well install vim, right? I've been on a lot of systems and can't remember a single instance of not having vi (though I do vim). So pretty rare, like you said https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_POSIX_commands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_POSIX_commands

sdovan1 11mo ago

We usually work on the VM with daily-built ISO. For example, I would compile and upload Java program to the frontend team member's VM, and type "srt" for "systemctl restart tomcat."