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And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. What kind of argument are you even trying to make?

• drysine 10mo ago
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  • cess11 10mo ago
    What a bizarre description of what the US did. Greenland has been inching towards independence since the seventies, because that's the common ambition of greenlandic peoples and it's slow because there are rather deep ties between Denmark and Greenland. These ties are to some extent very negative for the greenlanders, they're generally discriminated against and have been viciously mistreated at times, but a quick clean cut would also be quite painful for them. In the seventies Greenland joined the EU predecessor EEC with Denmark, quickly realised that europeans were emptying their fishing waters and in the early eighties left the union. It's the only entity to have done so. Then the independence process trudged on, they self-manage in many areas now, even more since a 2008 referendum where some 75% or so voted in favour of independence. Since 2009 there is a law that says that Greenland can become independent whenever they want, as long as it's approved by greenlander referendum and the danish parliament. To the extent they're a colony international law also clearly gives them the right to unilaterally declare independence. A majority of greenlanders are likely still in favour, but a majority also would prefer to postpone it if it would result in worse living conditions, since that's what polls usually conclude. Ignoring half a century of rather delicate politics and independence ambitions the US shat all over it and said that they wanted to buy it, and then several years later said that they might just annex instead. This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour, which in my opinion should have caused european countries to start dumping US bonds and stop answering calls from the White House.
    • MangoToupe 10mo ago
      > if it would result in worse living conditions Well nobody is forcing Denmark to be a dick about decolonization, nor a dick to all the people it never colonized. That's a choice. > This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour So was colonizing, well, anywhere. Europe still hasn't been appropriately punished for this. And yes, the US deserves to be punished severely for its own brutal conquests.
      • jeltz 10mo ago
        Why do you want to punish the Greenlanders? They would rather be a Danish colony than an American.
        • MangoToupe 10mo ago
          Look the danish punished greelanders many generations before us. Pretending this is justice is just evil
      • notahacker 10mo ago
        Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US
        • MangoToupe 10mo ago
          > Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Brother, spread this pro-colonization propaganda elsewhere. > Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US Conversely? Brother, they are the same thing.
          • notahacker 10mo ago
            Fine, be that American whose ignorance of world affairs is exceeded only by faith that anything its government does, dastardly foreigns do worse...
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  • victorbjorklund 10mo ago
    Oh, so US is giving up their claims to Purto Rico, Alaska, Hawaii, etc? Or are American imperalists holding on to their colonies?
    • drysine 10mo ago
      Worst of all, they are holding on the most of North America
    • MangoToupe 10mo ago
      God willing? Absolutely.
• MangoToupe 10mo ago
  > And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. Sure, no argument here. > What kind of argument are you even trying to make? Mostly that characterizing Greenland as European is just as insane as characterizing French Guiana that way. Or the falknlands, New Caledonia, Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Curaçao, Anguilla, Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, etc etc. These are colonies—not part of europe, and should have been made whole decades ago with the resolution of WWII, and their continued presence as "rightfully" part of European nations destabilizes our globe. Europe is welcome to extend its economic privileges to all nations of earth, and I for one will continue to argue for kicking us out of Hawaii and Guam while ensuring we don't further engage in predatory trade agreements. Of course, I don't expect any of this predation to cease anytime soon.
  • victorbjorklund 10mo ago
    Would you say that US attacked Japan first because Japan never ever attacked US? Only Hawaii which is not American.
    • MangoToupe 10mo ago
      I don't spend my time holding opinions about which state jerked off on the other's face. But hawaii is certainly not american