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> want to annex a European territory Greenland is not in europe. It may be a danish colony but that doesn't make it "european territory" any more than french g

> want to annex a European territory Greenland is not in europe. It may be a danish colony but that doesn't make it "european territory" any more than french guiana is. EU territory? Sure. But europe is a penninsula on the western flank of eurasia. Edit: huh I had no idea how complicated the classification of eu territories is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members_of_the_European_Economic_Area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_territories_of_members...

ulfw 10mo ago
And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. What kind of argument are you even trying to make?
- drysine 10mo ago
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  - cess11 10mo ago
    What a bizarre description of what the US did. Greenland has been inching towards independence since the seventies, because that's the common ambition of greenlandic peoples and it's slow because there are rather deep ties between Denmark and Greenland. These ties are to some extent very negative for the greenlanders, they're generally discriminated against and have been viciously mistreated at times, but a quick clean cut would also be quite painful for them. In the seventies Greenland joined the EU predecessor EEC with Denmark, quickly realised that europeans were emptying their fishing waters and in the early eighties left the union. It's the only entity to have done so. Then the independence process trudged on, they self-manage in many areas now, even more since a 2008 referendum where some 75% or so voted in favour of independence. Since 2009 there is a law that says that Greenland can become independent whenever they want, as long as it's approved by greenlander referendum and the danish parliament. To the extent they're a colony international law also clearly gives them the right to unilaterally declare independence. A majority of greenlanders are likely still in favour, but a majority also would prefer to postpone it if it would result in worse living conditions, since that's what polls usually conclude. Ignoring half a century of rather delicate politics and independence ambitions the US shat all over it and said that they wanted to buy it, and then several years later said that they might just annex instead. This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour, which in my opinion should have caused european countries to start dumping US bonds and stop answering calls from the White House.
    - MangoToupe 10mo ago
      > if it would result in worse living conditions Well nobody is forcing Denmark to be a dick about decolonization, nor a dick to all the people it never colonized. That's a choice. > This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour So was colonizing, well, anywhere. Europe still hasn't been appropriately punished for this. And yes, the US deserves to be punished severely for its own brutal conquests.
      - jeltz 10mo ago
        Why do you want to punish the Greenlanders? They would rather be a Danish colony than an American.
        MangoToupe 10mo ago
        Look the danish punished greelanders many generations before us. Pretending this is justice is just evil
      - notahacker 10mo ago
        Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US
        MangoToupe 10mo ago
        > Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Brother, spread this pro-colonization propaganda elsewhere. > Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US Conversely? Brother, they are the same thing.
  - victorbjorklund 10mo ago
    Oh, so US is giving up their claims to Purto Rico, Alaska, Hawaii, etc? Or are American imperalists holding on to their colonies?
    - drysine 10mo ago
      Worst of all, they are holding on the most of North America
    - MangoToupe 10mo ago
      God willing? Absolutely.
- MangoToupe 10mo ago
  > And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. Sure, no argument here. > What kind of argument are you even trying to make? Mostly that characterizing Greenland as European is just as insane as characterizing French Guiana that way. Or the falknlands, New Caledonia, Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Curaçao, Anguilla, Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, etc etc. These are colonies—not part of europe, and should have been made whole decades ago with the resolution of WWII, and their continued presence as "rightfully" part of European nations destabilizes our globe. Europe is welcome to extend its economic privileges to all nations of earth, and I for one will continue to argue for kicking us out of Hawaii and Guam while ensuring we don't further engage in predatory trade agreements. Of course, I don't expect any of this predation to cease anytime soon.
  - victorbjorklund 10mo ago
    Would you say that US attacked Japan first because Japan never ever attacked US? Only Hawaii which is not American.
    - MangoToupe 10mo ago
      I don't spend my time holding opinions about which state jerked off on the other's face. But hawaii is certainly not american
andsoitis 10mo ago
> Greenland is not in europe. It may be a danish colony but that doesn't make it "european territory" any more than french guiana is. EU territory? Sure. But europe is a penninsula on the western flank of eurasia. You are right that Greenland is not in Europe (it sits on the Nort American tectonic plate). It is also not an EU territory, however, it is linked to Europea through Denmark. European influence exists through governance, education, and trade. Most Greenlanders identify primarily as Kalaallit (Inuit) and Greenlandic, not European.
tokai 10mo ago
Its not a colony. Stop diminishing the agency of Greenlanders.
- MangoToupe 10mo ago
  Of course it's a colony; this is just an observable fact. This is true regardless of how Greenland polls. Agency is immaterial.
  - victorbjorklund 10mo ago
    It’s not more a colony than Purto Rico is. Would you say US would be OK if China annexes Purto Rico because they are a colony of US?
    - MangoToupe 10mo ago
      US foreign policy is nearly as dimwitted as european foreign policy is. Of course puerto rico is a colony. But also, actually, if China did annex puerto rico? Snap snap snap. Good for them. They really made it out the hood. May god look upon the rest of us so positively
victorbjorklund 10mo ago
Does that mean Hawaii isn’t part of US because it’s far away from mainland?
- MangoToupe 10mo ago
  You got it baby, free hawaii
  - nothrabannosir 10mo ago
    How do Hawaiians feel about this? Just in case: what would you consider a valid qualification for Hawaiians, for their opinion on this matter to be material? And how many of them support an independent Hawaii? I looked online but didn’t find any hard numbers, only vague movements. Scottish independence for example seems to have substantial , if minority , support. If the same cannot be said for Hawaii, then this comment feels… like a cop out.
    - MangoToupe 10mo ago
      Hawaiian land is being sold off regardless of democratic legitimacy. Perhaps it is better to argue they should exercise indigenous control than wait until the concept is a farce
    - well_ackshually 10mo ago
      >How do Hawaiians feel about this? As is the case when it comes to indigenous populations being displaced and slowly replaced over time: they don't get to have a choice. Hawaii was mostly Japanese in the early 1900s having already displaced previous arrivals, and today less than 15% of the population considers themselves native hawaiians. The remaining 85% are there _because_ Hawaii is not independent, why would they ever hold a vote for it ? See similar cases in New Caledonia, the Falklands, and more.

ulfw 10mo ago

And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. What kind of argument are you even trying to make?

drysine 10mo ago
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- cess11 10mo ago
  What a bizarre description of what the US did. Greenland has been inching towards independence since the seventies, because that's the common ambition of greenlandic peoples and it's slow because there are rather deep ties between Denmark and Greenland. These ties are to some extent very negative for the greenlanders, they're generally discriminated against and have been viciously mistreated at times, but a quick clean cut would also be quite painful for them. In the seventies Greenland joined the EU predecessor EEC with Denmark, quickly realised that europeans were emptying their fishing waters and in the early eighties left the union. It's the only entity to have done so. Then the independence process trudged on, they self-manage in many areas now, even more since a 2008 referendum where some 75% or so voted in favour of independence. Since 2009 there is a law that says that Greenland can become independent whenever they want, as long as it's approved by greenlander referendum and the danish parliament. To the extent they're a colony international law also clearly gives them the right to unilaterally declare independence. A majority of greenlanders are likely still in favour, but a majority also would prefer to postpone it if it would result in worse living conditions, since that's what polls usually conclude. Ignoring half a century of rather delicate politics and independence ambitions the US shat all over it and said that they wanted to buy it, and then several years later said that they might just annex instead. This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour, which in my opinion should have caused european countries to start dumping US bonds and stop answering calls from the White House.
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    > if it would result in worse living conditions Well nobody is forcing Denmark to be a dick about decolonization, nor a dick to all the people it never colonized. That's a choice. > This is quite belligerent and nasty behaviour So was colonizing, well, anywhere. Europe still hasn't been appropriately punished for this. And yes, the US deserves to be punished severely for its own brutal conquests.
    - jeltz 10mo ago
      Why do you want to punish the Greenlanders? They would rather be a Danish colony than an American.
      - MangoToupe 10mo ago
        Look the danish punished greelanders many generations before us. Pretending this is justice is just evil
    - notahacker 10mo ago
      Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US
      - MangoToupe 10mo ago
        > Denmark isn't "being a dick about decolonization", it's just that they happen to be very kindly subsidising half of Greenland's budget, which causes even many enthusiastic about the idea of an independent Greenland cause to think that leaving might be a mistake. Brother, spread this pro-colonization propaganda elsewhere. > Conversely, the leader of the present day United States threatens to colonising Greenland by force to show off how powerful he is. Ergo Europeans, particularly Greenlanders, have little reason to trust the US Conversely? Brother, they are the same thing.
- victorbjorklund 10mo ago
  Oh, so US is giving up their claims to Purto Rico, Alaska, Hawaii, etc? Or are American imperalists holding on to their colonies?
  - drysine 10mo ago
    Worst of all, they are holding on the most of North America
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    God willing? Absolutely.
MangoToupe 10mo ago
> And Hawaii is not in America. Certainly neither is Guam etc. Sure, no argument here. > What kind of argument are you even trying to make? Mostly that characterizing Greenland as European is just as insane as characterizing French Guiana that way. Or the falknlands, New Caledonia, Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Curaçao, Anguilla, Bermuda, the Virgin Islands, etc etc. These are colonies—not part of europe, and should have been made whole decades ago with the resolution of WWII, and their continued presence as "rightfully" part of European nations destabilizes our globe. Europe is welcome to extend its economic privileges to all nations of earth, and I for one will continue to argue for kicking us out of Hawaii and Guam while ensuring we don't further engage in predatory trade agreements. Of course, I don't expect any of this predation to cease anytime soon.
- victorbjorklund 10mo ago
  Would you say that US attacked Japan first because Japan never ever attacked US? Only Hawaii which is not American.
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    I don't spend my time holding opinions about which state jerked off on the other's face. But hawaii is certainly not american

andsoitis 10mo ago

> Greenland is not in europe. It may be a danish colony but that doesn't make it "european territory" any more than french guiana is. EU territory? Sure. But europe is a penninsula on the western flank of eurasia. You are right that Greenland is not in Europe (it sits on the Nort American tectonic plate). It is also not an EU territory, however, it is linked to Europea through Denmark. European influence exists through governance, education, and trade. Most Greenlanders identify primarily as Kalaallit (Inuit) and Greenlandic, not European.

tokai 10mo ago

Its not a colony. Stop diminishing the agency of Greenlanders.

MangoToupe 10mo ago
Of course it's a colony; this is just an observable fact. This is true regardless of how Greenland polls. Agency is immaterial.
- victorbjorklund 10mo ago
  It’s not more a colony than Purto Rico is. Would you say US would be OK if China annexes Purto Rico because they are a colony of US?
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    US foreign policy is nearly as dimwitted as european foreign policy is. Of course puerto rico is a colony. But also, actually, if China did annex puerto rico? Snap snap snap. Good for them. They really made it out the hood. May god look upon the rest of us so positively

victorbjorklund 10mo ago

Does that mean Hawaii isn’t part of US because it’s far away from mainland?

MangoToupe 10mo ago
You got it baby, free hawaii
- nothrabannosir 10mo ago
  How do Hawaiians feel about this? Just in case: what would you consider a valid qualification for Hawaiians, for their opinion on this matter to be material? And how many of them support an independent Hawaii? I looked online but didn’t find any hard numbers, only vague movements. Scottish independence for example seems to have substantial , if minority , support. If the same cannot be said for Hawaii, then this comment feels… like a cop out.
  - MangoToupe 10mo ago
    Hawaiian land is being sold off regardless of democratic legitimacy. Perhaps it is better to argue they should exercise indigenous control than wait until the concept is a farce
  - well_ackshually 10mo ago
    >How do Hawaiians feel about this? As is the case when it comes to indigenous populations being displaced and slowly replaced over time: they don't get to have a choice. Hawaii was mostly Japanese in the early 1900s having already displaced previous arrivals, and today less than 15% of the population considers themselves native hawaiians. The remaining 85% are there _because_ Hawaii is not independent, why would they ever hold a vote for it ? See similar cases in New Caledonia, the Falklands, and more.