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China is outsmarting the current administration in every way, see here: "From Chips to Security, China Is Getting Much of What It Wants From the U.S." https://
by lateforwork 10mo ago
China is outsmarting the current administration in every way, see here:
"From Chips to Security, China Is Getting Much of What It Wants From the U.S."
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/12/world/asia/nvidia-china-trump-security-japan.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/12/world/asia/nvidia-china-t...
- masfuerte 10mo agoNot long into Trump's second term I read that senior Chinese officials were calling him Orange Santa. I hope it's true.
- spiderfarmer 10mo agoI’m pretty sure everyone who sees him for what he is has called him worse.
- rchaud 10mo agoChristmas has been coming early for China ever since the invasion of Iraq.
- pphysch 10mo ago[flagged]
- louthy 10mo ago> There's considerable evidence Yet you provide none.
- pphysch 10mo ago[flagged]
- louthy 10mo agoYou said: “There's considerable evidence and reason to believe Washington invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to supercharge opium production”, yet you provide nothing to back up your claim. It is not trolling to point that out. Your link to some stats on levels of poppy production does not support your conspiracy theory.
- AlexeyBelov 10mo agoIt's a pattern for this user unfortunately.
- bethekidyouwant 10mo agoThere’s plenty of information out there, books of it even https://youtu.be/TL7qT0goYLw https://youtu.be/TL7qT0goYLw
- louthy 10mo agoYet you link to a YouTube video of questionable provenance. Not one book reference. Forgive me for just filing this in the ‘conspiracy theory nonsense’ folder.
- cheeseomlit 10mo agoIf that were true I wonder how much the emergence of fentanyl influenced the decision to pull out of Afghanistan
- zoklet-enjoyer 10mo agoI've been saying since at least 2013 that fentanyl is a chemical attack against the US by China. I've been repeatedly downvoted for that statement.
- kyboren 10mo agoIndeed. I believe it is retribution for the Opium Wars. Sure the US isn't the UK, but it's the successor Anglo empire and is obstructing China's return to their rightful place as global hegemon. I think Xi Jinping and his CPC wish to inflict a Century of Humiliation on the West, or at least on the members of the Eight-Nation Alliance. Russia and Hungary, beware. Unfortunately this game only takes one willing participant. We'd better get our heads in the game and begin to play. And we need to prepare for a proper hot war, too, although that's already well understood and those preparations are already well underway.
- zoklet-enjoyer 10mo agoI was into the whole research chemical thing from maybe 2005 to 2011. People on message boards were doing like $30k+ group buys to get Chinese labs to synthesize new stuff. It was a really interesting time with a lot of money to be made and new chemicals to experience. I started hearing horror stories about people ODing on fentanyl and fentanyl analogues in 2011ish from middle men mixing up orders and mislabeling chemicals. That sketched me out enough that I didn't want anything to do with it anymore. It was very easy to buy fentanyl straight from Chinese labs until at least 2013 but maybe even as late as 2015 or 16. Fentanyl was legal in China until US pressure to ban it and that's when they started sending precursors to Mexico.
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- rchaud 10mo agoI'd argue that the invasion of Iraq benefited plenty of neoconservative aims: 1) eliminating a military threat to Saudi Arabia and Israel 2) placing hundreds of military outposts on Iran's doorstep 3) destabilizing Iran and Syria by empowering militant groups dormant under Saddam to re-arm and try to establish a Caliphate in Syria. 4) awarding trillions in no-bid contracts to Dick Cheney's Halliburton and a slew of arms manufacturers and private military contractors who could operate free of the burdensome rules of the Geneva Conventions. Halliburton received so much business that they moved their HQ to Dubai.
- paulddraper 10mo agoOne point: The Geneva convention applies to all of the military forces a country uses: standing, conscripts, contractors, etc.
- dragonwriter 10mo ago> There's considerable evidence and reason to believe Washington invaded Afghanistan in 2001 to supercharge opium production There's a lot more evidence and reason to believe that the US invaded Afghanistan in 2001 because the Bush Administration realized that, despite their initial inclinations, they couldn't sell a war on Iraq as a response to 9/11 without first making a visible effort that was more tangibly connected to the organization that actually carried out the attacks.
- paulddraper 10mo ago> I hope it's true. Why?
- delaminator 10mo ago[flagged]
- rapnie 10mo agoStick it, because? Always ask why. Perhaps the orange man is shitting in gardens far and wide abroad? Personally I do not want America to fail at all, to flourish even, and for it to remain a democracy at that. It helps. The orange man seems to have differently opinion.
- delaminator 10mo agoYou're not masfuerte who hoped it was true. If you want your country to fail because you don't like the president, that's terrible. I feel stuck under Starmer but I don't want his policies to fail the country in order to prove my position correct!
- twixfel 10mo agoIt's funny and whatever they call him, it's still true that Trump has been wonderful for China.
- paulddraper 10mo agoTo each their own. I hope that it he has not been wonderful for china.
- yaqubroli 10mo ago“Orange santa” in Chinese would be pretty unwieldy as a nickname. “橙黄圣诞老人” is 6 syllables. But there has been a meme in China for ages that Trump is secretly a Chinese guy named “Chuan Jianguo” (Jianguo means “building the nation”) who was sent by China to destroy America from within.
- aseipp 10mo agoThere was a good tweet after election day where someone wrote that a Chinese classmate was talking about their religious father in Beijing, who thought that Trump was chosen by God to win the election -- but only as part of a larger divine plan to destroy America. Pretty funny, to be honest.
- kakacik 10mo agoAgent Krasnov, now this, there seems to be competition for whom that guy is fucking up US more. Although answer is probably simplest - for himself and his ego. I cant imagine the mental gymnastic any half decent republican must be going through daily to keep avoiding utter debiliating shame for voting him when doing the proverbial look in the mirror.
- burningChrome 10mo agoThere's an irony about the media (including the Times) screaming about Trump trying to fight China economically, and then the Times comes out with a piece about how China is getting everything they want from him? Makes you wonder what side the Times is really on here.
- HardCodedBias 10mo agoIt seems pretty clear.
- kjkjadksj 10mo agoI don’t see how there is any cognitive dissonance there. Trump can simultaneously do disastrous things for our economy in terms of global trade with China as well as allow for us to be routed by Chinese strategists.
- etchalon 10mo agoThe Times is on the side of "reporting things that people say."
- apawloski 10mo agoCan you be clearer about The Times screaming about Trump trying to fight China economically? What are you referring to specifically from them?
- TrainedMonkey 10mo agoAll journalist organizations, unfortunately, have an incentive to bias content towards maximum clickbait. The ones that don't end up being outcompeted.
- disgruntledphd2 10mo agoThis is not true. You just need to read the business papers, as they have incentives to be accurate. I like the FT, but apparently the non opinion WSJ is ok.
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- stronglikedan 10mo agoIt was waaay more than 50%, and good ideas take time to execute but it's going swimmingly so far.
- j_w 10mo agoWell, no. It was 49.8% of the people that voted from him, which was ~44.4% of the voting age population.
- mothballed 10mo agoHarris only got 48.34%, so less popular vote than Trump. I was one of the 1.85% that voted for 'others', but still would have ranked Trump over Harris (this isn't so much a praise of Trump, just found him and Harris a couple of the absolute worst options), so it very well may be greater than 50% if you narrow those voters just to Trump and Harris, and absolutely over 50% if you discard their votes. It's contested and speculative, but a reasonable projection of Trump V Harris gives >50% to Trump in a finall runoff for majority.
- lovich 10mo agoOk, but the claim was >… waaay more than 50%… You posted a lot of words to still not prove that claim
- mothballed 10mo ago>>>Or maybe just the less of 2 evils. An intelligent asshat or non asshat that was an imbecile. It was time for a change. >>Well, no. It was 49.8% of the people that voted from him, which was ~44.4% of the voting age population. >You posted a lot of words to still not prove that claim A response was that Trump was the 'lesser' of the two evils. Someone then claimed Trump got less than the majority of all votes. Then I pointed out that when you narrow it to the 'two evils', which was the original claim, that it quite likely the majority. In fact, if you restrict to the two evils, trump did get the majority of the vote of the 'evils.' And if you forced those who voted for someone other than the 'evils' to pick an 'evil', something like 80+% of them would have to pick Harris in order for Trump not to get the majority vote of a runoff for the evils. Possible, but I think unlikely (also consider a very large portion of those 1.x% remaining were libertarian votes who tend to lean more R than D).
- jrochkind1 10mo agoAs long as Trump and his friends get rich off it, I'm not sure anyone's being outsmarted, they are arriving at mutually beneficial outcomes.
- duxup 10mo agoI'm not sure how much is outsmarting, as much as it is that the Trump administration is happy to make a big show and then sell out the US as long as he and his cronies get their cut.
- agoodusername63 10mo agoHard to call it outsmarting when your opponent is a toddler
- Obscurity4340 10mo agoAnd inexpen$ive for other governments to lease
- FrustratedMonky 10mo agoFor chips, Trump literally said "we need to get our cut".
- enraged_camel 10mo agoWell, Trump is a showman after all.