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Tiktok is not heroin. Tiktok does not make you vomit if you quit using it. Tiktok does not give you a 5 year life expectancy. You can't overdose on it and die.

Tiktok is not heroin. Tiktok does not make you vomit if you quit using it. Tiktok does not give you a 5 year life expectancy. You can't overdose on it and die. Tiktok does not make you rob a grandma to get your next fix of it. I hate social media more than most people do, and I don't use tiktok and don't think anyone else should, but can we all please stop comparing a mobile phone app to using heroin? It's misinformed and dangerous to make rhetorical comparisons like that.

nxor 10mo ago
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doublerabbit 10mo ago
Metaphorically speaking, Tiktok is heroin. >Tiktok does not give you a 5 year life expectancy 12 year old life expectancy then? > The lawsuit, filed in the US claims that Isaac Kenevan, 13, Archie Battersbee, 12, Julian "Jools" Sweeney, 14, and Maia Walsh, 13, died while attempting the so-called "blackout challenge". Four children died because of, compared to one, who injects? Heroin invokes addiction, TikTok does that. Heroin can cause physical dependency, TikTok brews this. Heroin is highly addictive, isn't TikTok to the young viewer? I still hold my point that TikTok can be distilled and viewed as a form of Digital Heroin. Evidence shows. How else do you describe it's nature?
- sallveburrpi 10mo ago
  Metaphorically everything can be anything TikTok is in no way like heroin, stop using that false analogy
  - doublerabbit 10mo ago
    > TikTok is in no way like heroin, stop using that false analogy How is it not a form of digital heroin when the effects are digital? Heroin destroys your mind, And one could argue without moderation any other thing can do too.
    - sallveburrpi 10mo ago
      bruh are we living in different realities? some people feel like they are addicted to short form content but it’s really nothing like a drug addiction much less an addiction to something as devastating as heroin
      - doublerabbit 10mo ago
        I guess so. 36 and having seen the internet from IRC to how it is now arguing over some internet forum because views are different. How old are you? TikTok causes chemical release in the brain and which can cause other self psychological damage. Heroin causes chemical release in the brain in the brain, and can cause other self psychological damage. Both are addictions, both are hard to fight. Some find it easier some find it hard. The effects of one are more devastating sure, Alcohol is more damaging than Caffeine; I'm not ruling that out. However the effects of Heroin which comes with addiction and the cravings are some-what mimicked within the realms of TikTok. To op below: I'm now rate limited, so I can't reply directly. A drug, a real life substance that is designed to alter human chemistry. Cannabis, Caffine, MDMA, DMT all alter your brain chemistry organically. You cannot compare one or to something that is man-made digital. You can however compare the effects of a substance that is organically designed to that of something is digital. The relation of effects of TikTok to Heroin are very similar. Social media is being designed as a digital service to alter human chemistry. It works, why do you think the world is in utter shit? Why do you think social enterprises pay big bucks to exploit the human psyche by hiring sociologists/psychologists? The TikTok icon on mobile devices is strategically designed to manipulate and trigger a response. Facebook is a grand example with the A/B emotional testing they did with Cambridge Analytica which that is that is far worse then heroin IMO. At least with Heroin you need to inject.
        kyledrake 10mo ago
        > TikTok causes chemical release in the brain and can cause other self psychological damage. You're literally describing any activity that someone enjoys generating natural dopamine, and then comparing it to a drug that crosses your blood-brain barrier and mimicks your brain's chemistry to give you a super-charged chemical version of that. The difference in dopamine levels is orders of magnitude. Your brain re-wires itself to handle the level of dopamine produced and you start only feeling normal if you're constantly using the drug. I would be surprised if Tiktok generated even 1/10th the dopamine level of using methamphetamine. It all honestly sounds quite fun, but my awareness of the consequences will prevent me from ever trying them. Eating a good meal, having sex, finishing writing your first novel, winning a race, doing breath work, doing yoga, rock climbing, and an unlimited supply of examples generate dopamine in our brains the same way that Tiktok does. They can all ruin your life just as much, if you allow them to. A much better comparison would be to describe Tiktok as a "digital slot machine", and indeed slot machine mechanics have been heavily studied by social media platforms to make usage more habitual. Nir Eyal's Hooked was an interesting and informative read on this topic. If he describes social media as heroin in the book I'll happily take the self-own.
  - throwway120385 10mo ago
    TikTok is a Skinner Box.
nutjob2 10mo ago
You're right, heroin is merely physical addiction. TikTok is psychological, emotional and social crack for young malleable minds. Produced by the subjects of, and in cahoots with, an aggressive totalitarian regime that has about as much respect for human life as Oracle has for its customers. Also assuming your heroin isn't tainted it isn't toxic and you can have a normal life expectancy. Can we all stop pretending it's a not an issue?
- Matticus_Rex 10mo ago
  Not comparing it to heroin (or crack) is not saying it isn't an issue.
- expedition32 10mo ago
  Most of the toxic bullshit comes from America though. China just wants us to buy cheap Chinese crap.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >TikTok is psychological, emotional and social crack for young malleable minds The US did a good job of taking those away, so it's hard to complain when others come in to fill that void.
DudeOpotomus 10mo ago
Only people with no actual life experience with drugs or drug users would make such an asinine and overtly hyperbolic statement as that. Everyone knows Facebook/Meta is actually the heroin. A product intentionally designed to steal your life and enrich its owners. Duh
- azemetre 10mo ago
  It's like how the Sackler's did everything they can to make opioids more addictive and increase profit margins, there is virtually no difference between this and Zuckerberg hiring psychologists to make his apps more addictive.
  - fragmede 10mo ago
    Even Safeway and Target are hiring psychologists! With programming as a career coming to an end, maybe I should go back to school.
- MangoToupe 10mo ago
  Do you have any life experience with drugs? Is this a satirical post? I'm really struggling to comprehend it coherently Did you mean nicotine? > Only people with no actual life experience with drugs or drug users would make such an asinine and overtly hyperbolic statement as that. Ma'am withdrawing from tiktok cannot kill you. Consuming tiktok cannot kill you. Tiktok does not make you shit yourself
renewiltord 10mo ago
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chrisweekly 10mo ago
I empathize w/ your take. I've occasionally responded similarly to the thoughtless use of "cancer" in shallow analogies, as a survivor who's also watched it kill several people I dearly love. I don't have direct experience w/ heroin, but the film "Requiem For A Dream" was unforgettable and helps me better understand its evil. Unfortunately, whether it's a deadly drug or a deadly disease, these casual references are unlikely to drop from public discourse anytime soon. And I personally would rather live in a world where insensitive or potentially-triggering language is gently discouraged, than one where the pendulum swings too far the other way towards censorship or radical left woke cancel culture. Words can be unintentionally callous without being "micro-aggressions". (And I say that as a liberal progressive.) Thanks for posting in a personal and persuasive manner, instead of anger. Yours is the more effective approach anyway.
- johnnyanmac 10mo ago
  >these casual references are unlikely to drop from public discourse anytime soon. I'd hope to hold this community to a higher standard than "the public discourse".
  - tstrimple 10mo ago
    Honestly, why? You see the exact same nonsense over and over. I've seen nothing to indicate that the community is any better than most other moderated forums. Worse than some.

nxor 10mo ago

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doublerabbit 10mo ago

Metaphorically speaking, Tiktok is heroin. >Tiktok does not give you a 5 year life expectancy 12 year old life expectancy then? > The lawsuit, filed in the US claims that Isaac Kenevan, 13, Archie Battersbee, 12, Julian "Jools" Sweeney, 14, and Maia Walsh, 13, died while attempting the so-called "blackout challenge". Four children died because of, compared to one, who injects? Heroin invokes addiction, TikTok does that. Heroin can cause physical dependency, TikTok brews this. Heroin is highly addictive, isn't TikTok to the young viewer? I still hold my point that TikTok can be distilled and viewed as a form of Digital Heroin. Evidence shows. How else do you describe it's nature?

sallveburrpi 10mo ago
Metaphorically everything can be anything TikTok is in no way like heroin, stop using that false analogy
- doublerabbit 10mo ago
  > TikTok is in no way like heroin, stop using that false analogy How is it not a form of digital heroin when the effects are digital? Heroin destroys your mind, And one could argue without moderation any other thing can do too.
  - sallveburrpi 10mo ago
    bruh are we living in different realities? some people feel like they are addicted to short form content but it’s really nothing like a drug addiction much less an addiction to something as devastating as heroin
    - doublerabbit 10mo ago
      I guess so. 36 and having seen the internet from IRC to how it is now arguing over some internet forum because views are different. How old are you? TikTok causes chemical release in the brain and which can cause other self psychological damage. Heroin causes chemical release in the brain in the brain, and can cause other self psychological damage. Both are addictions, both are hard to fight. Some find it easier some find it hard. The effects of one are more devastating sure, Alcohol is more damaging than Caffeine; I'm not ruling that out. However the effects of Heroin which comes with addiction and the cravings are some-what mimicked within the realms of TikTok. To op below: I'm now rate limited, so I can't reply directly. A drug, a real life substance that is designed to alter human chemistry. Cannabis, Caffine, MDMA, DMT all alter your brain chemistry organically. You cannot compare one or to something that is man-made digital. You can however compare the effects of a substance that is organically designed to that of something is digital. The relation of effects of TikTok to Heroin are very similar. Social media is being designed as a digital service to alter human chemistry. It works, why do you think the world is in utter shit? Why do you think social enterprises pay big bucks to exploit the human psyche by hiring sociologists/psychologists? The TikTok icon on mobile devices is strategically designed to manipulate and trigger a response. Facebook is a grand example with the A/B emotional testing they did with Cambridge Analytica which that is that is far worse then heroin IMO. At least with Heroin you need to inject.
      - kyledrake 10mo ago
        > TikTok causes chemical release in the brain and can cause other self psychological damage. You're literally describing any activity that someone enjoys generating natural dopamine, and then comparing it to a drug that crosses your blood-brain barrier and mimicks your brain's chemistry to give you a super-charged chemical version of that. The difference in dopamine levels is orders of magnitude. Your brain re-wires itself to handle the level of dopamine produced and you start only feeling normal if you're constantly using the drug. I would be surprised if Tiktok generated even 1/10th the dopamine level of using methamphetamine. It all honestly sounds quite fun, but my awareness of the consequences will prevent me from ever trying them. Eating a good meal, having sex, finishing writing your first novel, winning a race, doing breath work, doing yoga, rock climbing, and an unlimited supply of examples generate dopamine in our brains the same way that Tiktok does. They can all ruin your life just as much, if you allow them to. A much better comparison would be to describe Tiktok as a "digital slot machine", and indeed slot machine mechanics have been heavily studied by social media platforms to make usage more habitual. Nir Eyal's Hooked was an interesting and informative read on this topic. If he describes social media as heroin in the book I'll happily take the self-own.
- throwway120385 10mo ago
  TikTok is a Skinner Box.

nutjob2 10mo ago

You're right, heroin is merely physical addiction. TikTok is psychological, emotional and social crack for young malleable minds. Produced by the subjects of, and in cahoots with, an aggressive totalitarian regime that has about as much respect for human life as Oracle has for its customers. Also assuming your heroin isn't tainted it isn't toxic and you can have a normal life expectancy. Can we all stop pretending it's a not an issue?

Matticus_Rex 10mo ago
Not comparing it to heroin (or crack) is not saying it isn't an issue.
expedition32 10mo ago
Most of the toxic bullshit comes from America though. China just wants us to buy cheap Chinese crap.
johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>TikTok is psychological, emotional and social crack for young malleable minds The US did a good job of taking those away, so it's hard to complain when others come in to fill that void.

DudeOpotomus 10mo ago

Only people with no actual life experience with drugs or drug users would make such an asinine and overtly hyperbolic statement as that. Everyone knows Facebook/Meta is actually the heroin. A product intentionally designed to steal your life and enrich its owners. Duh

azemetre 10mo ago
It's like how the Sackler's did everything they can to make opioids more addictive and increase profit margins, there is virtually no difference between this and Zuckerberg hiring psychologists to make his apps more addictive.
- fragmede 10mo ago
  Even Safeway and Target are hiring psychologists! With programming as a career coming to an end, maybe I should go back to school.
MangoToupe 10mo ago
Do you have any life experience with drugs? Is this a satirical post? I'm really struggling to comprehend it coherently Did you mean nicotine? > Only people with no actual life experience with drugs or drug users would make such an asinine and overtly hyperbolic statement as that. Ma'am withdrawing from tiktok cannot kill you. Consuming tiktok cannot kill you. Tiktok does not make you shit yourself

renewiltord 10mo ago

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chrisweekly 10mo ago

I empathize w/ your take. I've occasionally responded similarly to the thoughtless use of "cancer" in shallow analogies, as a survivor who's also watched it kill several people I dearly love. I don't have direct experience w/ heroin, but the film "Requiem For A Dream" was unforgettable and helps me better understand its evil. Unfortunately, whether it's a deadly drug or a deadly disease, these casual references are unlikely to drop from public discourse anytime soon. And I personally would rather live in a world where insensitive or potentially-triggering language is gently discouraged, than one where the pendulum swings too far the other way towards censorship or radical left woke cancel culture. Words can be unintentionally callous without being "micro-aggressions". (And I say that as a liberal progressive.) Thanks for posting in a personal and persuasive manner, instead of anger. Yours is the more effective approach anyway.

johnnyanmac 10mo ago
>these casual references are unlikely to drop from public discourse anytime soon. I'd hope to hold this community to a higher standard than "the public discourse".
- tstrimple 10mo ago
  Honestly, why? You see the exact same nonsense over and over. I've seen nothing to indicate that the community is any better than most other moderated forums. Worse than some.